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Sam Darnold : Will he make it to a 2nd season here?


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Sam Darnold : Will he make it to a 2nd season here? (Poll)  

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  1. 1. Sam Darnold : Will he make it to a 2nd season here?

    • Yes, he will get one final chance with a (hopefully) upgraded O-Line
    • No. He's gone and good f'n riddance
    • Too Early to tell. Let's see how these next 11 games go

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  • Poll closed on 10/31/2021 at 09:00 PM

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26 minutes ago, neverlosethefeeling said:

Someone inform me. Is there anything we can do with his contract since we picked up the 5th year option? We’re on the hook for all of that, right? So our only options are keep him on the roster or eat a ton of dead cap? 

Yes the CBA even changed it so it's fully guaranteed already, previously you could get out of it before 1st day of the league year if there was an injury I think. So good luck finding a team that would take Darnold next year for a 19 million one year rental. 

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37 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

yes but only because there's no realistic free agent, trade, or draft options for us

We won't even be bad enough to get Malik Willis to sit behind Sam for a year, and if we are we still won't be fixing our O-line with one 3rd round pick and then 5/6/7th round developmental pics

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Maybe I’m dumb or maybe it’s the alcohol talking or maybe I’m dumb, BUT if the Dolphins get Watson we should consider getting on a three team trade and getting Tua. I know behind our line he will get injured, but hear me out. He can back up Darnold until we fix our line this offseason (hopefully) and Tua has more promise than any QB in this class IMO. In on every deal right?

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25 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Maybe I’m dumb or maybe it’s the alcohol talking or maybe I’m dumb, BUT if the Dolphins get Watson we should consider getting on a three team trade and getting Tua. I know behind our line he will get injured, but hear me out. He can back up Darnold until we fix our line this offseason (hopefully) and Tua has more promise than any QB in this class IMO. In on every deal right?

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1 hour ago, MVPccaffrey said:

shouldn't it be brady or rhule who take the hit?  This is the 2nd bum QB in a row they've hand picked

Actually they picked Watson, couldn't get him, then picked Stafford, and he said no to Carolina even though we had the better trade offer for Detroit

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He is going to be here short of Watson or some other starter being traded away. If we draft a rookie in the first round he needs time to develop and learn behind a vet. Much like in San Francisco right now. Otherwise it seems Darnold is doing better than Fields, Wilson . Of course it seems old Mac is faring pretty good. I knew he would do well.

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