Bridgewater(2020) vs. Darnold(2021) through 6 games.

[TLGPanthersFan]

11 minutes ago, frankw said:

Sam is a fourth year pro the training wheels are off now my guy.

Guy is obsessed with calling Darnold a rookie. He isn’t. I am so tired of these Darnold fans using it as an excuse. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Guy is obsessed with calling Darnold a rookie. He isn’t. I am so tired of these Darnold fans using it as an excuse. 

Yeah, that poo is so old. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now.

Did we set up Sam Darnold to fail as dramatically has he did in NY? 100%. There is absolutely zero question about that whatsoever. We put an atrocious OL in front of him and then we have tried to make him throw the ball 35+ times a game in that scenario. That's crazy. How could he not fail?

But, the idea that he is "learning" or "has potential?????" GTFO. He does not. He is who we KNEW he was. And you know what.....it isn't his fuging fault. He didn't trade for himself. He didn't throw the entire offense on his shoulders. Our dumb FO and coaching staff did that, in the face of conventional NFL wisdom. 

So....thanks guys. Thanks for this gift of a season we are about to watch.

[panthers55]

13 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Stop using that “rookie” excuse. Sam is a damn QB and a vet. Isn’t like he has to learn to write with his left hand. 
It is now 6 games in if he hasn’t “learned the system” by now he won’t. 

You obviously don't know much about football and changing systems. Even great QBs who changed systems often struggled their first year. 

[Wes21]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

They have both performed pretty similarly through 6 games in their Panthers careers. The results for Teddy got him ejected from the franchise. Don't be surprised when you see similar or worse results from Darnold that also get him walking papers after 2021. 

The 6 game snapshot doesn't tell the story of Teddy Two Gloves in 2020.  It was the high water mark for Teddy and it was all downhill from there.  If Darnold only wins 1 more game for the rest of the season...he should get his walking papers just like Teddy.

[TheRumGone]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Even great QBs who changed systems often struggled their first year. 

Which ones I’m curious.

[panthers55]

14 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Guy is obsessed with calling Darnold a rookie. He isn’t. I am so tired of these Darnold fans using it as an excuse. 

Seems the obsessed folks or maybe butt hurt fans are those who expected Sam to come in here and light it up day 1 as if he was an all pro before he got here. Anyone who figured he would be great right ahead don't have a clue. Those who think we should dump him now are even more clueless.

[Wes21]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You obviously don't know much about football and changing systems. Even great QBs who changed systems often struggled their first year. 

They also discount the idea that QBs can grow over time.  Matt Stafford wasn't the Matt Stafford people know today until year 6 when Jim Caldwell came in and "fixed him."  Then it was year 7 when the year 6 work became apparent.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

We traded a second rounder for Teddy 2.0 lmao

[panthers55]

Just now, TheRumGone said:

Which ones I’m curious.

How about Joe Namath and Jonny Unitas off the top.of my head.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Just now, panthers55 said:

How about Joe Namath and Jonny Unitas off the top.of my head.

bruh that was half a century ago

peyton went 13-3 with broncos first year

favre made nfccg with vikings

tom brady won the fuging super bowl with bucs

joe montana made the afccg with the chiefs

darnold is a bust. he's not going to improve

[KSpan]

31 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, Teddy has five 4th quarter comebacks and 6 game winning drives in his career. The last one he had was in New Orleans.

Darnold has a total of three 4th quarter comebacks and 4 game winning drives in his career. The last one he had was in 2019. 

Neither of these guys is capable of producing in crunch time. Their track record bears that out.

The growing and learning part.....I am not sure how you see such an obvious regression(visible and statistical) and view that as "growing and learning." What is actually happening is that we are seeing the same player we saw for three years in New York. He just simply isn't the guy.

Quite unfortunately for all of us, we are just going to see more and more of that as the season progresses because we literally have no other option.

Eh, there's zero chance Teddy pulls off that 97 yard drive from last week. I think the best summation thus far has been that Darnold's capability is notably higher but floor is notably lower, and we're much more towards the floor at the moment.

Teddy is currently in Denver and has crashed back to earth now that there is a few weeks of film on him and the offense again. I'm still very glad he's gone but man, short of that last drive on Sunday Sam sure seems to be trending sharply down.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

The 6 game snapshot doesn't tell the story of Teddy Two Gloves in 2020.  It was the high water mark for Teddy and it was all downhill from there.  If Darnold only wins 1 more game for the rest of the season...he should get his walking papers just like Teddy.

Darnold will be gone, it's just a matter of when. Actually, Teddy was very static in his performances prior to the injury. If you look at this stat lines from Week 1 to Week 10, they were all extremely similar. In fact, his QB rating from Week 1 to Week 6 was 94.6. His Week 1 to Week 10 was 98.7. 

That's sort of my point about Teddy. On paper, it looks like he is playing well but his results are losses. It's because he has absolutely zero killer instinct. He will perform the same whether you are up 40 points(as if he could achieve that) or down 40 points. 

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

They also discount the idea that QBs can grow over time.  Matt Stafford wasn't the Matt Stafford people know today until year 6 when Jim Caldwell came in and "fixed him."  Then it was year 7 when the year 6 work became apparent.

There is only one QB I can think of that was considered a "bust" this deep into their career that turned it around and that was Drew Brees.

[KSpan]

2 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

bruh that was half a century ago

peyton went 13-3 with broncos first year

favre made nfccg with vikings

tom brady won the fuging super bowl with bucs

joe montana made the afccg with the chiefs

darnold is a bust. he's not going to improve

I'm not saying that Darnold is going to magically improve but those 4 guys are all HOF tier, came from thriving and stable systems in their prior stops, and changed teams very late in their careers vs Sam who is still only 24 and coming from Gase's Jets. IMO the situations are not comparable at all.