John Fox saved his job...

[Snake]

Okay, this has got to be the most asinine quote of many today.

Gruden walked in on a team that was already poised for a Super Bowl run. He then rode them there and played against... wait for it... his old team, that was still running his old playbook. From there, Gruden went downhill.

Seifert did not leave a Super Bowl quality team behind (ummm 1-15 the prior year, 15 losses in a row). Fox had to rebuild them team and start pretty much from scratch. The next year, he got us to 7-9, and then the year after, went to the Super Bowl.

Check your history a bit next time.

Steve Smith, Kris Jenkins, and Dan Morgan were all Pro Bowlers. At that time we also had Mike Rucker, Mike Minter, Moose, and Hoover. Im sure I forgot some also. Plus Fox has had 7 more years to make it to a SB and nothing has been delivered. Not even two winning seasons. So now who is the ass.......

[Argus Plexus]

I'm fine with Fox. I don't like Davidson or Meeks.

[Davidson Deac II]

There's only logic in it if you think that "almost" hitting .500 just a season after going 12-4 with the same team is acceptable.

If it wasn't acceptable, Bill Cowher would have been fired before he won the Superbowl.

Truth is that there are only a handful of teams that are consistently good. Right now, those teams are New England and Indy, and to a lesser extent, Pittsburgh and maybe Philly. New England and Indy are consistent because they got extremely lucky in the Quarteback department.

John Fox is a good coach, and if we can get a better QB, then I think he could be a consistent winner. I don't think Fox should be fired if we go 8-8 this season. I think Fox should be fired (and Hurney to) if there is no effort to improve the passing game during the offseason.

[frash.exe]

"And as long as Fox & Jake are here, we won't get a Superbowl ring"? Funny, but we almost got that 6 yrs. ago if Kasay didn't miss a kick or there was more time.

no you silly goose, it wasn't all Kasay's fault like some of you want to believe he just pried that lombardi from Fox's hands.

you see, when you give brady the ball with more than a minute left on the clock, just like St Louis did at the same venue two years prior, it's on the defense and clock management.

Kasay kicked it out of bounds, but your own 40 yard line is not field goal range, so will everybody please stop making Kasay out to be some kind of a convenient scapegoat to fuel your "IF ONLY" scenarios so you can glorify this average coach we have today.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

You guys realize we only had one winning season before Fox got here, right?

[DaCityKats]

Good point KillerKat. You could freeze John Fox and Jake Delhomme at their current ages for the next century and the Panthers would never win a single championship with them at the top. It just won't be happening.

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[carolinanimal]

If it wasn't acceptable, Bill Cowher would have been fired before he won the Superbowl.

Truth is that there are only a handful of teams that are consistently good. Right now, those teams are New England and Indy, and to a lesser extent, Pittsburgh and maybe Philly. New England and Indy are consistent because they got extremely lucky in the Quarteback department.

John Fox is a good coach, and if we can get a better QB, then I think he could be a consistent winner. I don't think Fox should be fired if we go 8-8 this season. I think Fox should be fired (and Hurney to) if there is no effort to improve the passing game during the offseason.

That is part of the enigma! through his tenure and his own philosophy, he doesnt believe in drafting a qb high, the highest we spent on a qb was a 4th round pick. fox keeps thinking he can find the next jake delhomme. look at the teams that are winning right now they have excellent qbs. colts. steelers, patriots, bengals. saints. a good qb makes the difference. i know they dont grow on trees but that shouldnt deter you from looking for one.

[frash.exe]

If the team is behind a coach, and playing its heart out, what happens when you fire the coach?

Think it through, folks.

sure that sounds cool and intelligent when you don't factor in the load of coaches that can get their players to play for them but can do little else that get fired.

Fox has proven that he can keep this team competitive, in season and over the long haul. And that, as a team owner, is what you really want. If your coach's low water mark was a 7-9 record, you keep him. When your coach's high water mark is 7-9, you let him go (see Dick Jauron).

Depends on what your definition is of "competitive" from an NFL standpoint, which, by december, where conventional belief is that month is where playoff berths are decided, only a handful of teams are eliminated from playoff contention mathematically. But of course no one making Fox's argument will want to say that. So basically what you're trying to say is that as long as we're not bottom 5, everything's alright. No sense of urgency needed.

When the season opens, you want the fans to have an expectation that they are going to see some great games and that their team has a shot at the playoffs and maybe the Super Bowl. You don't want to see the faithful trudging to the gates on opening day, bags in hand, ready to put them over their heads (think Cleveland or Detroit today or New Orleans and Tampa of the old days).

You're really using the worst examples you can to justify. There's really no comment I need to make.

Fox has done wonders here and developed an identity for this team that doesn't include the words "expansion team" or "young franchise". He will continue to do so, and I seriously doubt if there has been any talk of firing him by anyone with the stroke to do so.

A few disgruntled, knee-jerk fans and sports reporters have beaten the drum, but really, they are just yanking their own chains and dreaming that they might have some power.

you seem to be in love with this identity that as long as you agree with management makes you standpoint more logical, and i'm gonna tell you right now it's bunk. And as far as going on about "fans think they have power", really? Have we been organizing fan mutiny? Or doing poo like they are in Cleveland, which, btw, is ironic, since two fuging fans tried to organize a fan protest and got enough attention that Randy Lerner met with both of them. So I would say that in a general sense, the fans do have a bit of leverage.

[solidkjames]

You want John Fox fired stop going to the games. That is the key to getting Jerry Richardson to fire someone. He won't settle for no shows. That did it with Seifert and it sure as hell will work with Fox.

[Snake]

If it wasn't acceptable, Bill Cowher would have been fired before he won the Superbowl.

Truth is that there are only a handful of teams that are consistently good. Right now, those teams are New England and Indy, and to a lesser extent, Pittsburgh and maybe Philly. New England and Indy are consistent because they got extremely lucky in the Quarteback department.

John Fox is a good coach, and if we can get a better QB, then I think he could be a consistent winner. I don't think Fox should be fired if we go 8-8 this season. I think Fox should be fired (and Hurney to) if there is no effort to improve the passing game during the offseason.

Philly is always in the mix as well. The thing is I dont see why everyone slobs over Cowher. He was and still is an Avg coach. He was given two great Coordinators and a very good QB but if it would have been up to him he would have stuck with Maddux. Fox might have been a good coach in the past but he is just not putting up the production that is expected of a winning coach. He has had 7 years to get us back to a SB and has fell short.

[Snake]

You guys realize we only had one winning season before Fox got here, right?

Well it really would be 2 winning seasons. We did just miss the playoffs in 1999.

[KillerKat]

Is there anyone else out there now that still believe we can win a Super Bowl with Fox and Delhomme? lmao

[rayzor]

if fox's job is safe we are doomed to a future filled with mediocrity at best.

if his job is safe we can look forward to being a team as stupid as the titans for keeping fisher .

[Fox007]

Now we are a lock for 6-10 at best, so no Fox has not saved his job.