The path to a dominant offensive line

[Wes21]

55 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

So two tenths of a second would make guys like Elfliien and Paradis good? Our o-line would be top half of the leaugue with Teddy B under center? I forget, was Paradis good last year?

Fractions of a second are what separate the quickest throwing teams from the slowest.  And fractions of a second are what separate the best pass rushing teams in terms of time per pass allowed vs the worst pass rushing teams.  As an offense or a defense you don't want to be anywhere near 3 seconds on either side of the ball.  You don't want your QB taking an average of 3 seconds and you don't want you defense allowing an average of 3 seconds.

[Khaki Lackey]

3 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Fractions of a second are what separate the quickest throwing teams from the slowest.  And fractions of a second are what separate the best pass rushing teams in terms of time per pass allowed vs the worst pass rushing teams.  As an offense or a defense you don't want to be anywhere near 3 seconds on either side of the ball.  You don't want your QB taking an average of 3 seconds and you don't want you defense allowing an average of 3 seconds.

I realize that, but just saying any garbage lineman would be above average with an extra two tenths of a second is ridiculous.

[Eazy-E]

Stop bullshitting with the offensive line ffs. We are going to have 60+ million in cap space. Lock down Armstead for 4 years if he hits the market. (which he should) 3 to 4 years is plenty of time to develop his replacement as long as we don’t continue to neglect the position. 
 

Use our first rounder on the best Center available to us in the draft and this line will be looking like a top 10 unit in the league.

[SBBlue]

17 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

I realize that, but just saying any garbage lineman would be above average with an extra two tenths of a second is ridiculous.

True.  The same can be said just for throwing first rounders on a line.  The jets drafted  LT in the 1st round last year and guard in 1st round this year.  Their line is worse than ours in nearly every measure, including sacks where they stand at 16.

The last two games our line was Erving at LT,              Daley, Paradis, Miller and Moton. 
Last year our line was Little/Scott/Daley/Okung at LT, Reed, Paradis, Miller and Moton. 

We were top 10 in pass pro press% last year.   Why?  Because Little rocked?  Because Reed, who is now a backup at the colts was awesome? 

No.  We were top 10 in press% because we threw the ball in 2.6 seconds.

Edited October 7, 2021 by SBBlue

[CarolinaRideorDie]

3 hours ago, Snake said:

There's just not enough good lineman in the NFL anymore. It's just a lack of talent and it's why more than not teams have bad Olines. I know NO picks up a lineman almost every years simply because they know that's how you get them. 

I agree. I think the game today has changed so much over the years. Look at these super athletic defensive linemen who rush the passer. Offense linemen talent has relatively remained the same. We won't necessarily get quality O-line in the draft until college coaches start putting big athletic men on the O-line. Defensive line gets drafted and prioritized in the top 10 of the draft more than O-line now. A dominant defensive line is easier to draft than a dominant offensive line. 

[rayzor]

29 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

Stop bullshitting with the offensive line ffs. We are going to have 60+ million in cap space. Lock down Armstead for 4 years if he hits the market. (which he should) 3 to 4 years is plenty of time to develop his replacement as long as we don’t continue to neglect the position. 
 

Use our first rounder on the best Center available to us in the draft and this line will be looking like a top 10 unit in the league.

I have no doubt we're going to be making a serious push for Armstead. Stealing him from the saints will be sweeter than taking Gilmore out from under the bucs noses.

[Basbear]

2 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Rhule and CO. are only responsible for as far as 1 year ago. They obviously value a strong defense more. They had to rebuild the roster. We weren't a player or two away. We weren't an OL away (from being contenders) before, but now we just about are... Why? Because of Rhule & CO. 

Keep bringing this message. Defense was truly de-void of talent. The only NFL players on that 2020 group were Shaq, Djack, and Haynes(could add reid, but...) 3 fuging players. thats IT! SO they drafted 7 D players. That got the number to 6 with BRown, YGM, and Chinn. Next draft added Horn(sucks about injury), Nixon(looking great as a rookie backup), and Taylor(better than rookies CB form 2020). Signs Fox, Jones, and Bouye as mid-aged vets. Trades for Johnson, steals CJ henderson, steals Glmore. Hartsfield is depth piece same as franklin. They got the number about 22 now. 

I do not know if you could re build a entire 25 man group faster?? During this they've been in dead cap hell(both years 40+ million red), convid BS, etc. That has to be one of the faster rebuilds in NFL history.

OL could be talked about til 2023 off-season. There is light til then- Moton is a rock, Brown is on the program, Christ can fill another spot, 2022 draft *should be OL focused, ELF&ERV are decent backups, Mike Morton, Michael Jordan, Teckenburg, and Monterio get year another yr to develop. 2 form the PS group *should be depth next year. SO.....do the math.......thats 7 OL for 2022 without the draft&FA. Yes its heavy depth, still its not the worst. Use the 1st on C or LT, add another 2 in the draft, and sign a couple FAs. Now they have 14 to fight for 10, that gives injury insurance as well. Everyone on this 2022 can be better than 2021 too.

So there is some hope, just need to find a legit C and hopefully LT as well.

2022 OL =

LT 1st round draft pick

LG- Christ

C- Elf

RG- Brown

RT- Moton

decent depth too.