Are you sold on Matt Rhule?

[TheRumGone]

13 minutes ago, 54th man said:

Elite qbs don't grow on trees. What's he suppose to do draft matt hones or justin fields instead yea they are elite alright 

No they don’t but you have to be willing to try. But my point was I think Rhule doesn’t believe in building teams that way. He’d rather have an elite defense and a steady offense rather than reverse. It’s just his philosophy. We’ll see how it all plays out but teams that build that way usually do not have sustained success for all the reasons I mentioned in my previous post. Mac Jones sucks. Justin fields might have had the worst game plan I’ve ever seen a coach come up with. Fields has the talent to be that guy with proper coaching and in a good org. Which I believe we have. But my comment wasn’t about fields or any of the qbs in this past draft. If Sam isn’t that guy Rhule will have opportunities to try to get a franchise qb. But I’m not sure if he pulls the trigger. 

[run-run-pass-punt]

Yes, I'm sold. His track record speaks for itself, and he's just got an *obvious* hunger to succeed in his work. I think he's got his weaknesses, like everyone. I think he believes so strongly in "his way/process" that when/if things don't turn out according to script, he can be at a bit of a loss as to how to approach/handle things.

But overall, he's an excellent leader and delegator. He displays great faith in those whom he leads, and I see that often translates to the performance and belief of those individuals in themselves. There is an atmosphere that he fosters that is very conducive to positive vibes and expectations, and those sentiments go along way towards the realization of success imho.

[Davidson Deac II]

Ask me this question at the end of next season.

 

That being said, if we get a coach from college, I would much rather have a coach from a lower tier situation where the talent levels of your opponents are roughly equal, than a coach from a school like Alabama where they have significant talent advantages over their opponents.  

[Jon Snow]

Had me on board when he gave his introduction speech.  Ride or die with Rhule. 

[Carl Spackler]

It's early, but you can't argue with this season's record to this point. If we make the playoffs this year and Rhule shows a commitment to keeping our best non-Baylor and non-Temple players, I'll be on the way to being sold.

[mav1234]

45 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

No they don’t but you have to be willing to try. But my point was I think Rhule doesn’t believe in building teams that way. He’d rather have an elite defense and a steady offense rather than reverse. It’s just his philosophy. We’ll see how it all plays out but teams that build that way usually do not have sustained success for all the reasons I mentioned in my previous post. Mac Jones sucks. Justin fields might have had the worst game plan I’ve ever seen a coach come up with. Fields has the talent to be that guy with proper coaching and in a good org. Which I believe we have. But my comment wasn’t about fields or any of the qbs in this past draft. If Sam isn’t that guy Rhule will have opportunities to try to get a franchise qb. But I’m not sure if he pulls the trigger. 

I dunno man... They believed Darnold could lead a franchise... And I'm not sure they had as much faith in Fields. It may be that the level of QB play you think a team needs and what Rhule thinks it needs are different, but if Rhule was satisfied with just a decent to good QB, he wouldn't have jettisoned Teddy, who was the definition of average.  He clearly thinks the QB position is critical.

Edit: also being aggressive to go for Stafford, who is an elite QB, should indicate something.

Edited September 30, 2021 by mav1234

[KatsAzz]

Yes So far,so good.

[Panthera onca]

Absolutely. I was sold watching him mold that rag tag group last season into a competitive team.

[TheRumGone]

19 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I dunno man... They believed Darnold could lead a franchise... And I'm not sure they had as much faith in Fields. It may be that the level of QB play you think a team needs and what Rhule thinks it needs are different, but if Rhule was satisfied with just a decent to good QB, he wouldn't have jettisoned Teddy, who was the definition of average.  He clearly thinks the QB position is critical.

Edit: also being aggressive to go for Stafford, who is an elite QB, should indicate something.

I don’t think they wanted to wait on growing pains. But we’re more than likely going to need to draft a franchise qb if Darnold doesn’t work out. Again this isn’t about Fields in general it’s about philosophy. Honestly the hope should be Darnold balls out and can lead us to post season play and we draft his replacement if/when he can’t take us over the top. I don’t think Darnold is gonna be the guy. I think he has the capacity to play well as shown by these first 3 games and I’ll hope he can be the guy but I’m still not entirely convinced. 49ers just went through something similar with jimmy and drafting Lance. I hope we mirror that here.
 

Teddy isn’t good or even decent imo. He’s just a guy. Dude is severely limited. And rumors are he was a huge problem to the coaches. Which is why he was booted.

[L-TownCat]

I was gonna say i want more than the 1 Cower got, but id be lying.  Just gimme 1.  1 before i check out of this world.

[mav1234]

4 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I don’t think they wanted to wait on growing pains. But we’re more than likely going to need to draft a franchise qb if Darnold doesn’t work out. Again this isn’t about Fields in general it’s about philosophy. Honestly the hope should be Darnold balls out and can lead us to post season play and we draft his replacement if/when he can’t take us over the top. I don’t think Darnold is gonna be the guy. I think he has the capacity to play well as shown by these first 3 games and I’ll hope he can be the guy but I’m still not entirely convinced. 49ers just went through something similar with jimmy and drafting Lance. I hope we mirror that here.
 

Teddy isn’t good or even decent imo. He’s just a guy. Dude is severely limited. And rumors are he was a huge problem to the coaches. Which is why he was booted.

I get it isn't about Fields alone, but we weren't in a position to give up what the 49ers did to move to where they did for Lance, since realistically our team had huge holes, so we had to pick from what was available... In a year or two though I agree we may be in that situation.

I think pursuing Stafford (and Watson before legal issues) and going in on Darnold do indicate they highly value a quality starter.  So that is why I think that I'm less worried about the staff knowing they need a QB as I am the OL... That seems like an area Rhule would very much value, so hopefully we see some significant building there soon.  I'm worried a bit they think a mediocre to bad OL is sufficient when you have the playmakers we do.

[TheRumGone]

Just now, mav1234 said:

I get it isn't about Fields alone, but we weren't in a position to give up what the 49ers did to move to where they did for Lance, since realistically our team had huge holes, so we had to pick from what was available... In a year or two though I agree we may be in that situation.

I think pursuing Stafford (and Watson before legal issues) and going in on Darnold do indicate they highly value a quality starter.  So that is why I think that I'm less worried about the staff knowing they need a QB as I am the OL... That seems like an area Rhule would very much value, so hopefully we see some significant building there soon.  I'm worried a bit they think a mediocre to bad OL is sufficient when you have the playmakers we do.

Watson is all Tepper.

stafford is a short term move. I’m talking about investing in drafting a rookie qb who you think can elevate your team over the hump. Coaching and going through rookie growing pains. And I’m not talking about this past draft or that we should’ve given up 3 1sts for Trey Lance. I’m just saying in general I’m not sold that Rhule wants to invest in a rookie qb in the first round of the draft. Like if he was the coach of KC with Alex smith I don’t think he pulls the trigger on Mahomes. That’s what I’m talking about.

[Panthers Rhule]

2 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

I’m still not convinced that he understands how important an elite qb is in the nfl. Those are the types of players that more often then not give you consistency in the nfl. 

So trying to trade for Watson or Stafford leaves you to question if he understands the importance of an elite QB? No offense intended but I honestly don't understand that assessment. By all accounts we were literally hours away from landing an Elite QB. It's not his fault if the guy wanted to win now with a team that had already proven it could win with an average QB. 

Edited September 30, 2021 by Panthers Rhule

[rayzor]

Yes. Absolutely. He fits the fresh  progressive analytical mould I'd been hoping for in a coach since I got tired of fox in '06 or '07.