Thomas Davis on NFL Network

[joemac]

30 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Exactly.  Fair to say the entire roster overall is perhaps better, but even that is way too soon.

Certainly 2015 had a better offensive line and (at least for now) much better QB... Cam will never get the credit he fully deserves for carrying that team to a Super Bowl

I mean, he won the MVP and Offensive Player of the Year awards so I'd say he got SOME credit...

[Fox007]

Right down to a subpar OL but no Shula and the ball is clearly coming out faster by design.

Imagine Brady on that team instead of Shula...maybe that change alone would have done it.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Fox007

[Basbear]

Jesus........

 

Cam played out of mind, thanks TD you just made more insane fans......AND the bandwagon will be in full effect after this win.

[ncfan]

12 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Jesus........

 

Cam played out of mind, thanks TD you just made more insane fans......AND the bandwagon will be in full effect after this win.

Cam Did play out of his mind.

 

but remember we didn’t win the whole thing because another team with an Elite Defense 

[rayzor]

54 minutes ago, BrianS said:

He COULD be right, but two games into the season isn't the time for such hyperbole.

Call me in December when we're still undefeated, and then we can talk about the comparisons to 2015.

If TD says it.....imma let him say it and I'm not about to refute it. If he's on board, I'm on board

[SBBlue]

1 minute ago, ncfan said:

Cam Did play out of his mind.

 

but remember we didn’t win the whole thing because another team with an Elite Defense 

Yup.... with a washed up QB who was benched for Osweiler after throwing four interceptions in a game.  

[OneBadCat]

Overall talent is better. But Cam and Luke Keuchly were trump cards.

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

Imagine having 2015 Josh Norman, Luke, TD, Cam, Olsen, and Norwell on this team

[onmyown]

Lol no, sorry.

Cam wasn’t having to get it out in 2 seconds in 2015 like Darnold. He had the second best oline in the league overall. And Cam was going bezerk.

I’m going to disagree with this.

Cam was better, the oline was hella better and the defense was just as good if not better, special teams…not even close as sad as that might be.

Thing about ‘talent’ and ‘potential’ is they’re essentially meaningless, measureless words.

If you want to be real TD is either full of poo or trying to hype this team up…or both.

Only, single position I’ll give them is cmc…and coaching.

Edited September 23, 2021 by onmyown

[L-TownCat]

It is within the realm of possibilities we could have a Bears/Bucs/Ravens kind of dominant defense.  The kind that takes you the whole way.  Bonus part is our offense aint bad... 

[Mr. Scot]

Comparing by units...

QB - Newton was definitely more talented. Darnold could conceivably wind up being more successful though given the makeup of the team and the coaching staff. Throw in that 2015 was far superior in the backup quarterback spot.

RB - All the respect in the world for Jonathan Stewart, but Christian McCaffrey is significantly better. On the flipside, Mike Tolbert was a true fullback and Fozzy Whitaker was a better backup (so far, that's subject to change)

WR - Yeah, no contest here. The current unit absolutely blows away the 2015 receiving corps. This is the group that Davis cited when he was making his claim.

TE - There's nobody on the current squad that's as good as Greg Olsen. Depth is probably a wash.

OL - Gotta go with the 2015 group here even though the 2021 group is looking better than we thought they would so far and Taylor Moton is a huge upgrade from Darryl Williams.

DL - This one's tough, but I'd say the current unit has the edge because there was nobody on the 2015 squad as dominant as Brian Burns. DTs are more of a debate but I would say Derrick Brown is likely better than Lotulelei or Short.

LB - Obviously you go with Luke and Thomas Davis here, but the 2021 version of Shaq Thompson is significantly better than the 2015 one was.

DB - Due respect to Josh Norman and Kurt Coleman, but Jeremy Chinn, Donte Jackson and Jaycee Horn tip the scales to the 2021 group.

ST - Long snapper is a wash. Punter might be too. Current kicking situation is a nightmare though. But even if it wasn't, 2015 probably wins this one anyway.

Edited September 23, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Tbe]

TD was on that 2015 team. Hard to argue with someone like that.

 

[Basbear]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Comparing by units...

QB - Newton was definitely more talented. Darnold could conceivably wind up being more successful though given the makeup of the team and the coaching staff. Throw in that 2015 was far superior in the backup quarterback spot.

RB - All the respect in the world for Jonathan Stewart, but Christian McCaffrey is significantly better. On the flipside, Mike Tolbert was a true fullback and Fozzy Whitaker was a better backup (so far, that's subject to change)

WR - Yeah, no contest here. The current unit absolutely blows away the 2015 receiving corps. This is the group that Davis cited when he was making his claim.

TE - There's nobody on the current squad that's as good as Greg Olsen. Depth is probably a wash.

OL - Gotta go with the 2015 group here even though the 2021 group is looking better than we thought they would so far and Taylor Moton is a huge upgrade from Darryl Williams.

DL - This one's tough, but I'd say the current unit has the edge because there was nobody on the 2015 squad as dominant as Brian Burns. DTs are more of a debate but I would say Derrick Brown is likely better than Lotulelei or Short.

LB - Obviously you go with Luke and Thomas Davis here, but the 2021 version of Shaq Thompson is significantly better than the 2015 one was.

DB - Due respect to Josh Norman and Kurt Coleman, but Jeremy Chinn, Donte Jackson and Jaycee Horn tip the scales to the 2021 group.

ST - Long snapper is a wash. Punter might be too. Current kicking situation is a nightmare though. But even if it wasn't, 2015 probably wins this one anyway.

Scot you know that prime 2015 team stomps this current 2021 2-0 group? TD just is going FULL media hot take...

[Manna]

Let's see...in 2015 we had Cam Newton, Jonathan Stewart, Mike Tolbert, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, KK, Star, Josh Norman. 

2021 we have CMC, DJ Moore, Robby, Brian Burns, Brown, Shaq (2021 version), Jackson (2021 version), Horn (based on 2 games), Chinn. 

 

I'd say it's about the same sans a dynamic QB.