Thoughts on Elflein, our O-line, the jets and the aints.

[AsylumGuido]

A little input here from the other side.  The Saints strengths lie in the lines, offense primarily, and then defense.  The defensive line is coached by NC State's great Ryan Nielsen.  It is deep and long.  Games are won and lost in the trenches, as we all know.

[SBBlue]

From the jets game day thread:

Jets vs Panthers Game Thread - Gang Green Nation

 sturmand
 I must of missed the information that Q Williams was sitting this one out.  Did he get hurt and I missed it.  

GreenPapa:   So how is Pat freaking elf line not getting beaten like a drum? I can understand their weapons eating our cornerbacks or even their great end beating up on Fant, but how are we not destroying the inside of that line?

-------- John B:   It's the Pat Elflein Revenge Game.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, SBBlue said:

From the jets game day thread:

Jets vs Panthers Game Thread - Gang Green Nation

 sturmand
 I must of missed the information that Q Williams was sitting this one out.  Did he get hurt and I missed it.  

GreenPapa:   So how is Pat freaking elf line not getting beaten like a drum? I can understand their weapons eating our cornerbacks or even their great end beating up on Fant, but how are we not destroying the inside of that line?

-------- John B:   It's the Pat Elflein Revenge Game.

Fans expectations never align with reality.  He didn't get home because Sam got rid of the ball to Christian.  

They were pushing the Elf and Paradis right back into his face on his drop backs. Luckily he kept his cool and went to CMC, as he should.

[Luciu5]

3 hours ago, AsylumGuido said:

A little input here from the other side.  The Saints strengths lie in the lines, offense primarily, and then defense.

Thanks for that, because that hasn't been said in numerous places - in this thread - before you mentioned it!

[j2sgam]

Rhule needs to pull a page from Belichick’s  book, remove their best player, contain Kamara & this game is much more winnable… prob’ly slightly easier than stopping CMC but still no small task… a lot tougher in the past with Brees at the helm but Jameis should Jameis, hoping the secondary feasts like the line did vs NYJ…

[SBBlue]

9 minutes ago, j2sgam said:

Rhule needs to pull a page from Belichick’s  book, remove their best player, contain Kamara & this game is much more winnable… prob’ly slightly easier than stopping CMC but still no small task… a lot tougher in the past with Brees at the helm but Jameis should Jameis, hoping the secondary feasts like the line did vs NYJ…

Kamara ran for 80 yards, Jones for 50 and Winston for 37.  Kamara had 8 yards receiving.

[PNW_PantherMan]

If we shut down Alvin Kamara I will be a happy man.  I'm so sick of seeing him run all over us.

[SBBlue]

10 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

If we shut down Alvin Kamara I will be a happy man.  I'm so sick of seeing him run all over us.

Me too.  We'll see.  This will be the first real test of our run-d.  

We need another great day out of the D-line and the LBs.

[ellis]

Elflein is a solid run game guard. But, he is really bad right now in traditional pass sets. Was last yr, too. Sam looks poised. 

 

Edited September 16, 2021 by ellis

[glenwo2]

On 9/15/2021 at 5:28 PM, Jon Snow said:

The Jets didn't keep them out of the end zone, the Panthers took care of that all by themselves. 

OOF.  U Right.

[glenwo2]

On 9/15/2021 at 5:48 PM, AsylumGuido said:

A little input here from the other side.

No.

On 9/15/2021 at 7:44 PM, Jon Snow said:

Fans expectations never align with reality.  He didn't get home because Sam got rid of the ball to Christian.  

They were pushing the Elf and Paradis right back into his face on his drop backs. Luckily he kept his cool and went to CMC, as he should.

Exactly.   Quinnen would've had to have run like Sonic The Hedgehog to prevent Sam from throwing to CMC as quickly as he did.  

This is the dink-and-dunk stuff that Brees had frustrated opposing teams(and their fans) for years with.

Edited September 17, 2021 by glenwo2

[ForJimmy]

Darnold never really had a clean pocket and it was mostly due to the interior. Not allowing a sack doesn’t necessarily mean the guard played well. It means our QB and OC played/called a good game despite our interior line getting rocked every play. Maybe Elf will play better in the future, but it didn’t look good last Sunday.

[SBBlue]

 So based on the Pass Rush Win Rate, Rankins had an awesome game against our O-line last Sunday.  

He had 0 sacks, 0 QB hits, 0 tackles for loss, 0 pass deflections, 0 forced fumbles. 
Oh and he had 0 tackle assists, and 0 solo tackles for a combined ZERO TACKLES.

His QBR was  53.5 .

But he was #1 in the league in pass rush win rate, which is based on holding the block for 2.5s.  Too bad we pass in 2.3s (same as Brady, Mahommes and Stafford and longer than Prescott and Herbert).

 

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by SBBlue

[SBBlue]

11 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

 So based on the Pass Rush Win Rate, Rankins had an awesome game against our O-line last Sunday.  

He had 0 sacks, 0 QB hits, 0 tackles for loss, 0 pass deflections, 0 forced fumbles. 
Oh and he had 0 tackle assists, and 0 solo tackles for a combined ZERO TACKLES.

His QBR was  53.5 .

But he was #1 in the league in pass rush win rate, which is based on holding the block for 2.5s.  Too bad we pass in 2.3s (same as Brady, Mahommes and Stafford and longer than Prescott and Herbert).

 

 

I meant 53.5 PFF.  Rankins isn't a QB.  I edited it, but I guess it didn't take.