Dwayne Jarrett

[GRWatcher]

Sutton is a rookie rb. So he proably has less expirence at fullback then either of them . Even if sutton voluntered Fox would put in the player he thought was best. Not just because somone wanted to.

Exactly! So I don't understand your prior statement, that I quoted, complaining (or seeming to) that Fox started Sutton as FB.

But, who knows, maybe Sutton was a FB in high school. :crazy:

:cheers2:

[Cyberjag]

I would like for few to get a clue:ciappa:

Fine. Name 10 winning coaches in the NFL who routinely play rookies over veterans. Since Fox is one of the worst at that, in your words, this should be easy for you.

But moose wont be here forever! you can trust him all you want eventually he will break down. he is 35! Even fox your lord and master said that jarrett has done well with the opportunities given him. sometimes i even wish for him to go somewhere else where he would be utilized. he catches whats thrown to him. he is a possession reciever, he is not going to burn anyone down the field. what kind of production do you guys want from him as the 3rd reciever? how often do we even use 3 wides in a game. smith and moose are locks to start.

Wr/qb relationship is symbiotic. a wr HAS to have the qb throw him the ball to get stats or production. look at steve smith, he had a horrible first couple of games. is that because he sucks and now he is better? no. he is the same smith he has always been. We are just throwing him the ball!!!

I never said Jarrett wasn't a good third option. But right now he's not as good as Moose. And as long as you're in the business of winning football games, you play your best players. As long as Moose is better than Jarrett, that means you play Moose. How is that so hard for people to understand?

If Moose continues to deteriorate, then at some point Jarrett will be the better option, and when that happens I figure he'll be in the starting lineup. And for what it's worth, until Fox, Jeff Davidson, and Richard Williamson say he's the better option, then he's not. It doesn't matter how many self-styled experts on the huddle proclaim his greatness, those three are the final judges, and the only ones who are really qualified. So when they say Jarrett is better, then he will be. But if the point where Jarrett passes Moose is too low, then it will be academic anyway because they'll go find someone else to start. And then you guys can all talk about why Jarrett is better than the new guy and needs to start. And everything discussed in this thread will be conveniently forgotten on your quest for new converts.

When jarrett was starting they had jake and the entire passing game on short leash..

Moose had six catches for 91 yards against the Falcons, with no drops and great blocking as usual. In that game, Jake had 24 attempts.

Jake had 30 attempts against the Saints. Jarrett had a drop and four catches for 37 yards. He also had a well thrown ball fly right through his hands on a deep route. Other than that, he played well.

[Miaoww]

Moose is way up there on the all time receptions and yardage lists. He's had a great career sadly one that's coming to an end. He's a better option than Jarrett at the moment, but hopefully Jarrett's finally coming good.

[DaveThePanther2008]

IMO Jarrett does not have that fire to WANT that #2 spot. I think he is content with sporatic play and will not be a Panther much longer. He has the tools but IMO thinks he doesn't have to work.

He had his chance to take the #2 spot while Moose was out. IMO he is a BUST. Second WR from USC to get the Bust label.

Go Panthers

[CRA]

the issue isn't so much that Fox prefers vets.....it that Fox committs to guys from day 1. Once he commits to players in certain roles he has a hard time making adjustments. It can be seen w/ Moose, Godfrey, etc. Fox is stubborn and that is his flaw. He doesn't put the best man in position each Sunday....he puts his guy in every Sunday.

The ultimate support of this is when Godfrey comes back......Fox imo will give him the job back.

[carolinanimal]

i dont understand this " go out and take the spot". that doesnt happen on a john fox team. and any way how can a wr do that anyway. he is not a qb that has the ball in his hands all the time. he cant throw himself the ball. i want someone to break down how many targets jarrett has had vs what he has caught. alot of people on here say " oh! he only had 4 catches that means he sucks. " if he only gets passed to 5 times then that is pretty good.

Why do you guys keep harping on the "people more qualified" bid? Again, There are more qualified people on the Clevend Browns and the Bucs, but there teams suck. There are coaches every year that get fired who are "more qaulified than us".

Agian if this is the case , you should never have anything to say or any opinion on there game plans, there personnel decisions, anything! we should just all go along for the ride. In fact we shouldnt even have this board. Whats the point? We should just believe whatever fox and hurney say. They NEVER make mistakes.

[jasonluckydog]

I have a lot of money invested in Jarrett and I need his ass to do well. I hate to see it go to poo like Robinson.

[Cyberjag]

Fox commits to guys from day one, that's how Jake got his starting job, it's why Munnerlyn is our nickel back, it's why the kick returner changes from game to game, it's why we've played musical chairs at free safety until Godfrey got here, it's why Gaines was in and out of the lineup at Tight End for a season blah blah blah....

Maybe they are actually starting the right guys, and are good enough to identify them from the outset. Usually it's the guys behind them where the skill is iffy, and you see a lot more shuffling around.

And these people ARE better than we are at making personnel decisions. All 32 of them are, and some of them are better than others. You can tell the ones that are better than others at making personnel decisions by their won/loss records over the years. The guys who are really good tend to have more Ws than guys who are not. And every year some new ones are invited to the party, to see if they can keep up with those who are good enough to keep their jobs.

Guess what? We have one of the best on our sidelines. Maybe instead of constantly second guessing his decisions, you can try to get an idea why he does the things he does, and in the process learn something. It may not be as fun as bitching, but it might be a little more fulfilling.

[CRA]

Fox commits to guys from day one, that's how Jake got his starting job, it's why Munnerlyn is our nickel back, it's why the kick returner changes from game to game, it's why we've played musical chairs at free safety until Godfrey got here, it's why Gaines was in and out of the lineup at Tight End for a season blah blah blah....

Maybe they are actually starting the right guys, and are good enough to identify them from the outset. Usually it's the guys behind them where the skill is iffy, and you see a lot more shuffling around.

And these people ARE better than we are at making personnel decisions. All 32 of them are, and some of them are better than others. You can tell the ones that are better than others at making personnel decisions by their won/loss records over the years. The guys who are really good tend to have more Ws than guys who are not. And every year some new ones are invited to the party, to see if they can keep up with those who are good enough to keep their jobs.

Guess what? We have one of the best on our sidelines. Maybe instead of constantly second guessing his decisions, you can try to get an idea why he does the things he does, and in the process learn something. It may not be as fun as bitching, but it might be a little more fulfilling.

There is a huge difference between Fox committing to someone and Fox starting someone......

no point beating a deadhorse, when Godfrey is back in the starting lineup I will just bump this so you can explain why it makes sense.

[carolinanimal]

The best put up back to back winning seasons!!!

[Cyberjag]

There is a huge difference between Fox committing to someone and Fox starting someone......

no point beating a deadhorse, when Godfrey is back in the starting lineup I will just bump this so you can explain why it makes sense.

I think that there's a chance Godfrey keeps the starting job because you don't lose that by getting hurt, but if he does it will be for just one game unless he does some extraordinary stuff. There's also a good chance he'll end up backing up Marshall instead. We'll see. :cheers2:

BTW, look at how Wharton got his starting job. It may change your thinking where Godfrey/Martin is concerned just a little.

[CRA]

I think that there's a chance Godfrey keeps the starting job because you don't lose that by getting hurt, but if he does it will be for just one game unless he does some extraordinary stuff. There's also a good chance he'll end up backing up Marshall instead. We'll see. :cheers2:

BTW, look at how Wharton got his starting job. It may change your thinking where Godfrey/Martin is concerned just a little.

well, the fact you also think Godfrey gets the job back does say something about Fox. Godfrey in a year and a half never played a game as solid as any of Martin's starts.

So if Godfrey goes back as the starting S.....how is Fox evaluating and playing the best guy? He simply wouldn't be.....he would be giving the job back to lesser caliber S.

[Cyberjag]

I didn't make that point very well. I think that Godfrey may be back starting for the very first game ONLY. And the reason I think that is because in general, you don't lose your starting job because you've been hurt. BUT, if he does keep his job he'll only have one game to show that he still deserves it. And if he does start I still think we see a lot of Martin in the game as well to see how they fare against the same competition. It would be a gesture to the team in that case, not a "start the best guy", and only because Fox is a standup guy.

With that said, he may not. Martin may end up like Wharton--in because of injury, and never out after they saw what he could do on the field.

So my statement was really more about the principle of not losing your job because of injury. If Fox stays with Godfrey for one game, that's the only explanation I can see. If he stays with him for more than one, then you'll be bumping this thread.

So like you said, we'll find out.

[Urrymonster]

I always got the impression Fox sticks with what works. Therefore if the team is winning he will try and change it as little as possible, regardless of individual performances. Hence why Jake has been around for so long and why Foster was in longer than he should be. His old theory of 'if it aint broke'.

Due to this, if we can win against Miami, then I fully expect to see Martin retaining his position. If we go on a losing streak, expect to see him revert to what he originally thought was his 'strongest' starting line-ups.