Dwayne Jarrett

[jramsey4]

He could pass block....he just openly acknowleged he needed to work on one area. He could have still been used more regardless....so the pass blocking angle isn't the best arguement.

Any NFL coach would also tell you that you can't start in the NFL at RB if you lead the league in fumbles and only have average at best talent/production.....unless Fox is the coach of your team.

I actually think Foster had great talent, he just wasn't used properly. 2003 showed he could be productive as a change of pace back behind a solid power back. If he would have had a guy like Davis ahead of him his whole career we might have a completly different view of Foster.

[monstercat]

He could pass block....he just openly acknowleged he needed to work on one area. He could have still been used more regardless....so the pass blocking angle isn't the best arguement.

Any NFL coach would also tell you that you can't start in the NFL at RB if you lead the league in fumbles and only have average at best talent/production.....unless Fox is the coach of your team.

He could not pass block early in his career, I saw it with my own eyes because I often watch young RB's when they don't get the ball for this very reason. Not only that, he admitted that he wasn't even in good enough shape to carry the ball 25-30 times a game. Remember how it took a long conversation with Vinny Testeverde to get him to start being serious about working out and being an NFL RB?

I swear, I cannot believe how much some of you complain about coaching when you don't even have a basic knowledge of how the NFL works or even the players on your own favorite team, in some cases. I blame ESPN and talk sports radio. They over dramatize everything and make you think that you're not a real fan unless you call for somebody's head after every loss, or bash your QB after every INT. Some of you need to stop being sheep and letting Chris Maclain and Pacman do your thinking for you.

[CRA]

He could not pass block early in his career, I saw it with my own eyes because I often watch young RB's when they don't get the ball for this very reason. Not only that, he admitted that he wasn't even in good enough shape to carry the ball 25-30 times a game. Remember how it took a long conversation with Vinny Testeverde to get him to start being serious about working out and being an NFL RB?

I swear, I cannot believe how much some of you complain about coaching when you don't even have a basic knowledge of how the NFL works or even the players on your own favorite team, in some cases. I blame ESPN and talk sports radio. They over dramatize everything and make you think that you're not a real fan unless you call for somebody's head after every loss, or bash your QB after every INT. Some of you need to stop being sheep and letting Chris Maclain and Pacman do your thinking for you.

every player has negatives and positives.....Williams should have played more and Foster less. Williams talent was too great and Foster was too bad that season for Fox not to be able to find ways to use him more.

and yeah (Vinny T), another example of players having to talk to players. Where is Fox all this time? I wish we had a player who would have stepped up and corrected Foster's ball position when he ran....that was a glaring flaw that begun in 03...... The lack of coaching in Carolina is seen every year....year after year.

[carolinanimal]

There are a lot of guys who look awesome in practice and suck in real games. Where that coaching knowledge there? There are also many examples of guys who were cut and came back and become great players. Why didnt the guys with more football knowledge than us see their potential and work with it? because agian they MAKE MISTAKES. if what you guys say is correct we should never complain about any personnel decision they ever make, ever! not any draft busts or fa pickups or anything.

[monstercat]

Dude, Williams had 144 carries in 2007, so it's not like he sat the bench all year. And I'm still waiting for one of you to explain to me how you come to the conclusion that Fox never plays young players, when there are plenty young players playing for the Panthers right the hell now.

If Dwayne Jarrett gets more playing time, it will be because he earned it. If he doesn't get more playing time, it will be because he didn't earn it. It's that simple, and it has nothing to do with loyalty, and everything to do with how players practice and demonstrate that they know what the hell they're doing and can be counted on. Moose has demonstrated over and over that he knows exactly what he's doing and so he plays ahead of Jarrett. Why is this so hard to understand?

[Cyberjag]

What's funny is that someone who's arguing with you that Fox never plays young players brought up Beason as an example to refute your other point.

Beason started most games his rookie year, he beat out Na'il Diggs before Morgan got hurt and he moved inside.

Fox plays a ton of rookies every year. He started Godfrey and Otah last year and gave plenty of PT to Stewart. The year before Charles Johnson and Dante Rosario saw the field a lot, and of course you had Beason. Williams, Marshall, and Anderson all played a lot and Jeff King started in 2006.

These guys are so willing to ignore recent history to make their point, it's just amazing that anyone ever puts stock in anything they say.

But they're fans--just ask them!

[CRA]

What's funny is that someone who's arguing with you that Fox never plays young players brought up Beason as an example to refute your other point.

Beason started most games his rookie year, he beat out Na'il Diggs before Morgan got hurt and he moved inside.

Fox plays a ton of rookies every year. He started Godfrey and Otah last year and gave plenty of PT to Stewart. The year before Charles Johnson and Dante Rosario saw the field a lot, and of course you had Beason. Williams, Marshall, and Anderson all played a lot and Jeff King started in 2006.

These guys are so willing to ignore recent history to make their point, it's just amazing that anyone ever puts stock in anything they say.

But they're fans--just ask them!

Fox didn't choose to start Beason. Fox started Beason at MLB b/c Morgan got hurt.

Fox does play rookies. Fox goes into every season committed to certain players.....week 1 he imo feels the roster he sets gives the teasm the BEST chance. IMO, that isn't always the case and Fox won't make the changes unless injury at that point makes him.

We will see the ultimate test when Godfrey returns and is healthy.

[scpanther22]

What's funny is that someone who's arguing with you that Fox never plays young players brought up Beason as an example to refute your other point.

Beason started most games his rookie year, he beat out Na'il Diggs before Morgan got hurt and he moved inside.

Fox plays a ton of rookies every year. He started Godfrey and Otah last year and gave plenty of PT to Stewart. The year before Charles Johnson and Dante Rosario saw the field a lot, and of course you had Beason. Williams, Marshall, and Anderson all played a lot and Jeff King started in 2006.

These guys are so willing to ignore recent history to make their point, it's just amazing that anyone ever puts stock in anything they say.

But they're fans--just ask them!

Whats funny is the idiots that argue that fox..does not favor vets.:sifone:

[rayzor]

if you do a search for these stats and the debunking here in the huddle you will find what i have compiled...i know he spreads it around as much as any other QB. my contention is that he only does so as a last resort. he loooks first to smit, then moose, and then back to smith..waiting for both guys to get open and when they can't then he will try dumping off the ball to someone else. this is usually done when the game is getting out of hand.

teams know in most situations that he is going to look and focus in on those two receivers. early on in the season when did most INTs happen? when jake was targeting smith or moose and it was simply because it was obvious that he was going to be targeting them.

It is a myth that Jake doesn't spread the ball around. We have discussed this ad nauseum. Smitty and Moose combined account for 51% of Jake's attempts. Smith 76 targets and Moose 49 targets for a combined total of 125 of his total of 245. That means the other receivers, tight ends, and running backs are targeted just as often as the first and second receivers. That is pretty typical of most quarterbacks in the NFL.

If you watched the game on Sunday then you saw Jake spread it around and audibelize while using the no-huddle. He was constantly looking for the one on one matchups and changing plays based on the defensive coverage. He may have not done it all year but he demonstrated he can if he is on and they let him run the offense.

Our distribution of passes has actually been spread out this year. We have 7 receivers with 10 or more catches. By comparison, the Falcons only have 4 receivers with 10 or more catches, even though they have thrown more than we have. Fans keep repeating that we only throw to Smith and Moose, but the stats just don't support that belief.

Of course Smith and Moose are going to have more catches than anyone else because they are our starting receivers. But our distribution is similar to most other NFL teams.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

jeez. nobody is saying the kid is Jerry Rice. But hes not a bust. he hasn't played. It doesn't matter. no one listens to reason. Its just like in 2001 for someone to say Steve smith can't play receiver after being used on the field sparingly.

To his defense, Smith made the most of his opportunities. I think the first time he touched the ball in a regular season game he ran a kickoff back for a touchdown. He worked hard and was hungry.

All things point to Jarrett not being perceived as "hungry" as Smith was. I think Jarrett shows progress but he will never be great. He may stay in the league another 1 or 2 years or he may stay another 5-8 years. This is all up to him. I dont think the offense owes him anything. Rosario has caught a few clutch passes as has Barnidge so to say Jake doesn't look anywhere else is a bit misguided. Maybe he flourishes in another system, maybe he earns his passes and have a break out opportunity. Either way, we will see...

[CRA]

To his defense, Smith made the most of his opportunities. I think the first time he touched the ball in a regular season game he ran a kickoff back for a touchdown. He worked hard and was hungry.

All things point to Jarrett not being perceived as "hungry" as Smith was. I think Jarrett shows progress but he will never be great. He may stay in the league another 1 or 2 years or he may stay another 5-8 years. This is all up to him. I dont think the offense owes him anything. Rosario has caught a few clutch passes as has Barnidge so to say Jake doesn't look anywhere else is a bit misguided. Maybe he flourishes in another system, maybe he earns his passes and have a break out opportunity. Either way, we will see...

Smith has also bluntly told when he got here he wasn't going to get reps at WR and that he was a returner. Fox obviously wasn't here....but it is just one of many examples of how coaches don't always have there eyes open. I seriously doubt what Smith was showing he could do what that drastically different his rookie year in comparison to year 2.

[carolinanimal]

Dude, Williams had 144 carries in 2007, so it's not like he sat the bench all year. And I'm still waiting for one of you to explain to me how you come to the conclusion that Fox never plays young players, when there are plenty young players playing for the Panthers right the hell now.

If Dwayne Jarrett gets more playing time, it will be because he earned it. If he doesn't get more playing time, it will be because he didn't earn it. It's that simple, and it has nothing to do with loyalty, and everything to do with how players practice and demonstrate that they know what the hell they're doing and can be counted on. Moose has demonstrated over and over that he knows exactly what he's doing and so he plays ahead of Jarrett. Why is this so hard to understand?

so if moose has a couple of bad practices will he sit versus jarrett if he is lights out in PRACTICE?

[CRA]

so if moose has a couple of bad practices will he sit versus jarrett if he is lights out in PRACTICE?

No, b/c it has been widely reported that Jarrett often looks like the best WR in Carolina in practice at times. Those days have never earned him extra reps. Injury does. Fox also has said Jarrett has gotten very few opportunties....and when he is given them that he always comes through.:confused:

[carolinanimal]

No, b/c it has been widely reported that Jarrett often looks like the best WR in Carolina in practice at times. Those days have never earned him extra reps. Injury does. Fox also has said Jarrett has gotten very few opportunties....and when he is given them that he always comes through.:confused:

Thats what i dont get! People say he sucks, but then say fox is a genius and knows more than we do. if fox stands up for him, then wouldnt that mean he doesnt suck? And if he does suck and fox is such a personnell genius, why is a guy that has sucked and never produced still on the team?