Dwayne Jarrett

[MaineManPanther]

Fox had no other choice but to play Sutton..And thats BS on a Fox team.Fox loves vets And he will play them past there prime.Thats no myth

He could of played Rosario and/or King at the fullback poistionand yet he chose and ran sutton. As the previous poster put, they played Captian over other vets. And what current starting vetran is currently past thier prime that the rookie could do better at? The only one I can think of is maybe Godfrey but even that has holes in it.

[CRA]

Until you get trusted to make a right one at any level maybe you should keep that stone in your hand instead of throwing it at a guy who's won more than most.

Fox has won....his coaching nor decision making has never been impressive to me. I know I get labeled by some as a Jake basher......but really I put 80% of the Jake problems squarely on Fox. Horrific use of his QB at times.

Fox has done/not done enough (which ever way you look at it) where there is room to question hiim at times. Not saying those arguements are right or wrong....but imo there is room to question Foxy.

[CRA]

He could of played Rosario and/or King at the fullback poistionand yet he chose and ran sutton. As the previous poster put, they played Captian over other vets. And what current starting vetran is currently past thier prime that the rookie could do better at? The only one I can think of is maybe Godfrey but even that has holes in it.

lol, what holes are in the fact Godfrey should never see the field ever again at S?

[scpanther22]

You're right.

And you're right to a point also. He'll play them past their prime so long as a better option is unavailable. Moose past his prime is still better than Jarrett entering his.

If we had drafted Steve Smith instead of Dwayne Jarrett, I'm betting Moose would be playing in Proehl's old role. But right now he's got better hands than Jarrett and certainly blocks better in the running game. He's not the greatest out there, but he's the second best guy available. And I drank the Jarrett kool-aid until this year. Now I think Moore is more likely to be our next number two.

I agree with that to a point.I think fox is loyal to vets sometimes at the cost of playing the rookie or young guy.He loves the vets

And if we drafted Steve smith..on a fox team he still would be on the bench were jarrett is now..lol

[scpanther22]

He could of played Rosario and/or King at the fullback poistionand yet he chose and ran sutton. As the previous poster put, they played Captian over other vets. And what current starting vetran is currently past thier prime that the rookie could do better at? The only one I can think of is maybe Godfrey but even that has holes in it.

I think Rosario was out that game.like i said fox had no other choice...its not so much this year.but we have seen and most people know fox loves vets to the point were he will play them past there prime.thats no myth.

[carolinanimal]

you guys kill me with that " guys better at blah blah made this decision, so we shouldnt question it" whats the point of this message board .then? so we can bow down to the football gods john fox and marty hurney? there are guys who know a lot more about football on EVERY football team. but those teams range from being great to absolutely horrible. that is because each one is human and makes mistakes. doesnt mean they are but to act like they never make mistakes is crazy.

[Bama Panther]

And you're right to a point also. He'll play them past their prime so long as a better option is unavailable. Moose past his prime is still better than Jarrett entering his.

But Deangelo Williams was running better than Deshaun Foster was in 2007. Ytt, Fox stuck with the vet. BTW, I am not saying that Jarrett is the next HOFer by any stretch of the imagination.

[monstercat]

But Deangelo Williams was running better than Deshaun Foster was in 2007. Ytt, Fox stuck with the vet. BTW, I am not saying that Jarrett is the next HOFer by any stretch of the imagination.

For the 10,000th time, DeAngelo Williams himself said that he was struggling in pass pro and some of the pass route concepts back then, and you can't be a starting RB in the NFL if you don't know what you're doing when you don't get the ball, or if you don't know where to be when you're the check down option. He also admitted that he wasn't doing enough in the off season, and wasn't in as good a shape as he should have been.

Also, Fox did not have to start Sutton in that Saints game. Hell, he didn't even have to use a FB at all. They have run quite a few running plays without a lead blocker this season. Besides that, Sutton is not even a FB by trade, so obviously he showed them something in practice that got him on the field. Fox damn sure didn't just wake up one morning and decide to play a relatively unknown 210lb RB as a FB in the biggest game of the year, without having a pretty damn good idea that he could do it.

[Cyberjag]

But Deangelo Williams was running better than Deshaun Foster was in 2007. Ytt, Fox stuck with the vet. BTW, I am not saying that Jarrett is the next HOFer by any stretch of the imagination.

For the 10,000th time, DeAngelo Williams himself said that he was struggling in pass pro and some of the pass route concepts back then, and you can't be a starting RB in the NFL if you don't know what you're doing when you don't get the ball, or if you don't know where to be when you're the check down option. He also admitted that he wasn't doing enough in the off season, and wasn't in as good a shape as he should have been.

Some people are so convinced of a particular story that even the players' own comments won't change their minds...

[Seamonk]

Expect Jarrett to get more touches late in the year. Moose isn't going to be around forever and if Moose stays another year, he's gonna have to sit out more games if he gets banged up. There will have to be someone who can step in.

[CRA]

For the 10,000th time, DeAngelo Williams himself said that he was struggling in pass pro and some of the pass route concepts back then, and you can't be a starting RB in the NFL if you don't know what you're doing when you don't get the ball, or if you don't know where to be when you're the check down option. He also admitted that he wasn't doing enough in the off season, and wasn't in as good a shape as he should have been.

Also, Fox did not have to start Sutton in that Saints game. Hell, he didn't even have to use a FB at all. They have run quite a few running plays without a lead blocker this season. Besides that, Sutton is not even a FB by trade, so obviously he showed them something in practice that got him on the field. Fox damn sure didn't just wake up one morning and decide to play a relatively unknown 210lb RB as a FB in the biggest game of the year, without having a pretty damn good idea that he could do it.

that still doesn't mean Williams shouldn't have been starting. Beason struggled with lots of things and openly acknolwedged it his rookie year......but he was a beast and the positives outweighed any negatives.

Sure, there were things DeAngelo needed to work on. The positives of him playing imo would have clearly outweighed his negatives.

Fox uses a FB.....not using one was not part of his thought process. He just wanted a body.

[jramsey4]

that still doesn't mean Williams shouldn't have been starting. Beason struggled with lots of things and openly acknolwedged it his rookie year......but he was a beast and the positives outweighed any negatives.

Sure, there were things DeAngelo needed to work on. The positives of him playing imo would have clearly outweighed his negatives.

Fox uses a FB.....not using one is part of his thought process. He just wanted a body.

Exactly. Who on the roster at the time of the saints game should have been FB? There was no vet (or FB at all really) for Fox to put in. So that argument holds no water. He put in a rookie who should never have to play FB in because he had very few options.

[monstercat]

that still doesn't mean Williams shouldn't have been starting. Beason struggled with lots of things and openly acknolwedged it his rookie year......but he was a beast and the positives outweighed any negatives.

Sure, there were things DeAngelo needed to work on. The positives of him playing imo would have clearly outweighed his negatives.

Fox uses a FB.....not using one is part of his thought process. He just wanted a body.

You cannot be a starting RB in the NFL if you can't pass protect...you just can't. Any NFL HC will tell you that.

[CRA]

You cannot be a starting RB in the NFL if you can't pass protect...you just can't. Any NFL HC will tell you that.

He could pass block....he just openly acknowleged he needed to work on one area. He could have still been used more regardless....so the pass blocking angle isn't the best arguement.

Any NFL coach would also tell you that you can't start in the NFL at RB if you lead the league in fumbles and only have average at best talent/production.....unless Fox is the coach of your team.