NFL Execs rank the Panthers in the nfc

[PNW_PantherMan]

CMC is great, but he started all 16 games in 2019 and we won 5 games.  Don't get me wrong.  I like the roster improvements, and I like the coaching.  I like the flier on Darnold.  Teams with disasters at QB tend to pick top 5.

[PNW_PantherMan]

I'd also add that if Ron Rivera didn't deliberately throw the game against us by starting Haskins, we'd have a much higher pick than we did.

[CashNewton22]

38 minutes ago, CRA said:

As a “Darnold hater”….this just isn’t true.  Sam isn’t Jimmy Clausen.  If our team is healthy….Sam being Sam isn’t going to give us a top 5 pick.  We should be able to win around 7 with being NY Sam (pending we stay healthy).   

You have to throw out 2020.   The Jets tried to orchestrate a top draft pick.  It nearly worked.  It was a legit tank job.   They just didn’t pull off making the cast bad enough to get the #1.  

if Sam isn’t great but merely plays the best football of his career? We should be able to get close to 9 IMO. 

Slugging was supposed to be slightly and if he does that is roughly where I see us 9 wins and in that group of teams that are “in the hunt” but are still going to miss the playoffs. Pretty sure we agree. 

[davos]

I think the focus on how bad the OL could be has some a bit blind on the skill player talent we have.  And being in year 2, we're in a spot where the depth is actually getting to be pretty young and solid, but there's glaring weaknesses at somepositions (LG, C, LT, OLB) 

We're coming along though.  I think Daley, Jordan, Christensen, & Brown all have some really solid upside on the line but we have starters on it that seem shaky.   

Depth wise, RB, WR, TE, DL, CB is all looking pretty good.

[SizzleBuzz]

10 hours ago, PandaMan said:

Thinking Teddy would be a better option than Darnold already nullifies the rest of that voter’s opinion.  Couldn’t be any more wrong.

Corey Miller said the same on WFNZ this week.

Randy Mueller, previous winner of NFL Executive of the Year, also said the same in WFNZ this week.

Teddy competed for and won the starting job in Denver...

...Silver Platter Sam had it handed to him.

Gonna be real interesting to see how it plays out for both...

[PandaMan]

18 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Corey Miller said the same on WFNZ this week.

Randy Mueller, previous winner of NFL Executive of the Year, also said the same in WFNZ this week.

Teddy competed for and won the starting job in Denver...

...Silver Platter Sam had it handed to him.

Gonna be real interesting to see how it plays out for both...

Lmao

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, KendrickPanther said:

He's been on the worst team.

Well, we weren't much better than that worst team(oddly enough wasn't the worst team by the results). 

It is what it is. We will see how it all pans out.

[glenwo2]

3 hours ago, PandaMan said:

Lmao

SizzleBuzz always delivers....

 

..."what exactly?" is the question.

[weyco2000]

14 hours ago, PandaMan said:

Thinking Teddy would be a better option than Darnold already nullifies the rest of that voter’s opinion.  Couldn’t be any more wrong.  Did he even watch the team play?  
 

but, yeah.  It’s fair.  Inconsistent ratings for an inconsistent team.  

Gotta be Hurney or Gettleman

[jfra78]

I dont think that 5 out of 32 NFL teams is a fair example of how the whole league views the Panthers in the NFC.  

[Jon Snow]

We will be the worst run team in the nfc to win the nfc in a couple of years.  How about that.

[Khyber53]

21 hours ago, PandaMan said:

Yep, 0-8 in opportunities for Teddy to win the game and we lost them all.  This team is a lot closer to the playoffs than people think.  

This is a very good point. Also, beyond Teddy, those would have been wins had the defense been able to hold the line just a bit better. Teddy wasn't doing us any favors, but not being able to get the opponent's offense off the field on third down is big, too.

Really, we just weren't "there" for a number of reasons. Hopefully we've corrected some of those reasons and didn't pick up any new weak spots. Just a bit more success here and there would have changed last season mightily.

 

[Icege]

On 9/4/2021 at 10:42 AM, Khyber53 said:

This is a very good point. Also, beyond Teddy, those would have been wins had the defense been able to hold the line just a bit better. Teddy wasn't doing us any favors, but not being able to get the opponent's offense off the field on third down is big, too.

Really, we just weren't "there" for a number of reasons. Hopefully we've corrected some of those reasons and didn't pick up any new weak spots. Just a bit more success here and there would have changed last season mightily.

 

This.

A lot of folks want to put everything on Teddy's shoulders without acknowledging poor playcalling, poor defensive play, poor offensive line play, and all of the other impactful issues the team went through. The team, however, seems to understand that it was more than just the QB. Nearly across the board there have been improvements made:

DB - Our DBs were horrendous last season. Troy Pride was on the bubble for this roster while he was a starting CB on last season's. Replace Rasul Douglas with Jaycee Horn, Troy Pride Jr with a healthy DJack, and Corn Elder with AJ Abouye and this looks to be an incredibly improved group.

DL - Replace Kerr, Obada, Hamilton, Weatherly, and Larkin with Jones, Fox, Nixon, Hoskins, and Johnson.

LB - Get rid of Tahir Whitehead, add Haason Reddick. ??? PROFIT!

ST - Santoso replacing Slye.

RB - Added Royce Freeman, Chuba Hubbard, and a healthy CMC in place of Mike Davis and Reggie Bonnafon.

WR - Losing Curtis sucked, but Terrace Marshall Jr + Shi Smith could end up being upgrades. Especially TMJ.

QB - Had issues with opening things up with the deep ball, went and got a stronger armed QB. Could be a push if decision making and accuracy are issues.

TE - Dan Arnold and Tommy Tremble replacing Chris Manhertz while pushing Ian Thomas.

OL - The only group that might have been downgraded. Okung/Scott and Reed replaced by Erving/Scott + Elflein doesn't exactly give a whole lot of hope. I'm hoping they don't look as bad as Clemson's OL did last night vs. Georgia.

Edited September 5, 2021 by Icege

[frankw]

Nobody will argue the team lacked talent last year but Teddy was risk averse to the extreme and if he wasn't he would still be here. None of the moving parts on your roster mean anything if the leader of your team is incapable of being clutch in any capacity.