Would you be upset if Sam was KC version of Alex Smith?

[SizzleBuzz]

I was under the impression it was "franchise QB" or bust?1?

Alex Smith has certainly never been viewed as a "franchise QB" by huddle denizens...

[BrianS]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

KC’s Alex Smith but in a Panther uniform….was Teddy Bridgewater. 

if that is the case the coaches shouldn’t of made it so keeping Teddy was impossible.  Teddy Bridgewater is a much better Alex Smith than Darnold can strive to be.  It’s in his DNA be like Alex Smith. 

Seems like the question is…is it okay for Sam to be like Teddy.  

That's actually not the case.  In his time in KC, Smith was much more willing to air it out.

In fact, TB5's "best" season barely beats out Smith's worst FULL season.

Smith is a far better QB than Teddy.

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

I was under the impression it was "franchise QB" or bust?1?

Alex Smith has certainly never been viewed as a "franchise QB" by huddle denizens...

Anyone that would be happy with a ceiling of Alex Smith has lowered their expectations. Alex Smith's a nice backup--was a nice backup.

Edited August 30, 2021 by top dawg

[KSpan]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

KC’s Alex Smith but in a Panther uniform….was Teddy Bridgewater. 

if that is the case the coaches shouldn’t of made it so keeping Teddy was impossible.  Teddy Bridgewater is a much better Alex Smith than Darnold can strive to be.  It’s in his DNA be like Alex Smith. 

Seems like the question is…is it okay for Sam to be like Teddy.  

 

1 minute ago, BrianS said:

That's actually not the case.  In his time in KC, Smith was much more willing to air it out.

In fact, TB5's "best" season barely beats out Smith's worst FULL season.

Smith is a far better QB than Teddy.

Yup. Watched Smith for years here in KC and Teddy is a second tier Alex Smith. Same style and same mental limitations with being conservative. Smith had a better arm and better leadership, but ultimately that same nature capped his ceiling.

With respect to the question, not really. Smith didn't have what it took to get the team over the hump without an elite defense, and the team needs to shoot better than that or be at constant risk of Garoppolo-led San Fran-type performances. For example, Denver's elite defense was beatable in the 2015 Super Bowl with better coaching; that game wasn't as lopsided as fans like to make it sound, even with the ugly plays Carolina had. 

[NAS]

No, if he turns out to be like Alex Smith (with a better arm), then it's worth the 2nd rounder we gave up for him. 

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, BrianS said:

That's actually not the case.  In his time in KC, Smith was much more willing to air it out.

In fact, TB5's "best" season barely beats out Smith's worst FULL season.

Smith is a far better QB than Teddy.

Alex Smith was always the best Teddy comp that existed.  

Alex Smith wouldn't pull the trigger in KC and ultimately that is why they parted with him.  They are both naturally risk adverse QBs that opt for the checkdown/ safe play.  Too hard to win with a QB like that.  With is why Andy parted with him.   

Is Alex Smith better than Teddy? When he was healthy? Sure.  But that doesn't change the fact Teddy is a similar QB.   

Why would anyone want Sam to be a version of that?  Could of just kept the sure thing.

 

 

[frankw]

If his ceiling is Alex Smith I would say great we've finally solved the #2 QB dilemma now let's draft our franchise quarterback. The only goal is winning a championship.

[musicman]

We need a good solid QB that can can step up from time to time and win and game by himself. Not every game. Darnold might have that. Teddy didn't.

Build a winning franchise by having a consistent winner every year, like the Ravens or Steelers that has a chance to be in the playoffs every year. Once you make it to the dance, you just might win one or two. 

Also, it's not easy finding a franchise QB (what is there maybe 5 to 7 in the NFL right now?). We had Cam and then injuries made him mortal and the team was not built strong enough to stay a consistent winner after that. 

[OldhamA]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

If he was able to have the success(team winning wise) that Smith was in KC, abso-fuging-lutely. We have never even had back to back winning seasons. That would be the most successful period in franchise history and would be a big step forward in establishing us as a contending team.

We can always go get another guy when the opportunity presents itself(like Mahomes) but that would be a massive step.

Let's be honest, if he came in and performed like Alex Smith did with the Chiefs (5 winning seasons in a row) he'd be the best QB to ever suit up for the Panthers. 

But once again it's more people disrespecting how good a QB Alex Smith was more than anything. 

[BrianS]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Alex Smith was always the best Teddy comp that existed.  

Alex Smith wouldn't pull the trigger in KC and ultimately that is why they parted with him.  They are both naturally risk adverse QBs that opt for the checkdown/ safe play.  Too hard to win with a QB like that.  With is why Andy parted with him.   

Is Alex Smith better than Teddy? When he was healthy? Sure.  But that doesn't change the fact Teddy is similar QB. 

 

 

No, wrong again.

Smith's last year in KC he averaged 8.6 air yards per attempt, with a 67.5% completion rate.  By way of comparison, Mahomes last year averaged 8.9 air yards per attempt, with a 66% completion rate.

Need more?  Ok.  Look at Tyreek Hill.  In Hill's first season starting, Smith's last season in KC, Hill had his second highest yards per reception and his highest yards per target over his career.

I am in no way saying Smith is close to Mahomes.  What I'm illustrating here is that KC parted with Alex Smith because they had an absolutely GENERATIONAL talent on their hands and after the years Smith had in KC, he was clearly not a backup.

Not saying I would want an Alex Smith here, but the comparisons to TB5 are grossly wrong.  TB5 doesn't come close.

[Smittymoose]

Assuming he's serviceable but nothing more, can we extend him for 12-15% of the salary cap like KC did? If so, then it's a big win. But if his deal is for more than $22-25M per, he ain't worth it. 

[Jon Snow]

I still don't trust USC qb's.  They flame out as much as OSU QB's.  Besides, we are not lucky enough to find a diamond in the trash pile.

[Mistuh Jones]

A calculated gun slinging Alex Smith? Yeah, I'd be down with that actually

[KSpan]

5 minutes ago, BrianS said:

No, wrong again.

Smith's last year in KC he averaged 8.6 air yards per attempt, with a 67.5% completion rate.  By way of comparison, Mahomes last year averaged 8.9 air yards per attempt, with a 66% completion rate.

Need more?  Ok.  Look at Tyreek Hill.  In Hill's first season starting, Smith's last season in KC, Hill had his second highest yards per reception and his highest yards per target over his career.

I am in no way saying Smith is close to Mahomes.  What I'm illustrating here is that KC parted with Alex Smith because they had an absolutely GENERATIONAL talent on their hands and after the years Smith had in KC, he was clearly not a backup.

Not saying I would want an Alex Smith here, but the comparisons to TB5 are grossly wrong.  TB5 doesn't come close.

They drafted Mahomes because they'd already determined that Smith wasn't going to get them where they wanted to be and fully intended to move on at that time. Like Teddy, Smith did not throw for many TDs, once going 21 straight games without throwing a TD to a WR in that Reid KC offense, and only hit his career high 26 when Mahomes was drafted and the writing was on the wall. Prior to that he had 23, 18, 20, and 15 TDs thrown and never broke 20 in San Fran. Mahomes, on the other hand, has thrown for 50, 26, and 38. Smith is absolutely a slightly better version of Teddy from the same mold. They may be 'starters' but that doesn't mean much if they can't beat the best competition.