Your way too early 2022 draft crush?

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Newbie said:

The Browns are competitive, I'll take that action.

I don't mean current Browns, I mean 1999 to 2017 Browns. The period of 2 winning seasons and roughly 20-25 different QB's that started games.

[jayboogieman]

2 hours ago, ImaginaryKev said:

If the Falcons draft Howell and he turns out good that'd be much worse than passing on Justin Fields, just FYI

 

35 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

That's always the case tho.

Missing out on a home state and school guy like Howell would be a major blow to fans if Howell succeeds in the NFL. Even more so if they were to pass on him in the draft.

[Newbie]

16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't mean current Browns, I mean 1999 to 2017 Browns. The period of 2 winning seasons and roughly 20-25 different QB's that started games.

You could've used the Jets as well and I get what you're saying. Sadly enough, I think we're already on that path.

[jayboogieman]

18 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't mean current Browns, I mean 1999 to 2017 Browns. The period of 2 winning seasons and roughly 20-25 different QB's that started games.

The Panthers have started down that trek already.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Newbie said:

You could've used the Jets as well and I get what you're saying. Sadly enough, I think we're already on that path.

 

Just now, jayboogieman said:

The Panthers have started down that trek already.

Yeah, I actually posted a thread in the main forum after I took a look at the 2018-2021 Panthers and compared it to the 1999-2002 Browns. Ouch. 

[Newbie]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

 

Yeah, I actually posted a thread in the main forum after I took a look at the 2018-2021 Panthers and compared it to the 1999-2002 Browns. Ouch. 

Have we started 6 quarterbacks in that stretch?

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Newbie said:

Have we started 6 quarterbacks in that stretch?

7. The Browns started 5. 

The Browns have a worse winning percentage(which may change in the next 12 games of 2021) but actually had one winning season and a playoff berth in that span. We have little to no shot of that.

[Newbie]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

7. The Browns started 5. 

The Browns have a worse winning percentage(which may change in the next 12 games of 2021) but actually had one winning season and a playoff berth in that span. We have little to no shot of that.

Thanks, I must've missed a start from a QB in 2018. We should keep track of this going forward. Bad franchises don't realize how bad they are until after everyone is already laughing at them. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Newbie said:

Thanks, I must've missed a start from a QB in 2018. We should keep track of this going forward. Bad franchises don't realize how bad they are until after everyone is already laughing at them. 

I will be honest, this was why I was initially very dead set against the idea of a teardown and rebuild after the 2019 disaster. I thought it would be better to bring in an experienced, solid NFL coach to right the ship as we retooled. The fear being that we became mired in rebuilding perpetually, as most franchises who opt for a complete teardown end up doing. 

I will say the talent we have stockpiled is impressive but the results and blunders are very reminiscent of those dysfunctional franchises. I am beginning to think we are in that class but just haven't realized it yet.

[Newbie]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I will be honest, this was why I was initially very dead set against the idea of a teardown and rebuild after the 2019 disaster. I thought it would be better to bring in an experienced, solid NFL coach to right the ship as we retooled. The fear being that we became mired in rebuilding perpetually, as most franchises who opt for a complete teardown end up doing. 

I will say the talent we have stockpiled is impressive but the results and blunders are very reminiscent of those dysfunctional franchises. I am beginning to think we are in that class but just haven't realized it yet.

The Dolphins made similar mistakes. They traded away talented players for more draft capital and they're one of the few teams we could beat. For the record, I'm a Liberty alum and a big fan of Malik. Our Team needs to fix our o-line from inside out and then find a competent QB and OC. None of this years QBs are can't miss prospects and I wish we had traded a 6th for Minshew or kept Teddy.

[Madwolf]

QB chasing this year would be foolish. If one is there that's worth the value, and I don't mean "QBs are the most valuable position in the league you have to take one" value, then take them. However, the Panthers would be well served to finally fix their repugnant offensive line problems, especially at LT, than to try a mega-reach on a QB.

[mrcompletely11]

19 hours ago, Madwolf said:

QB chasing this year would be foolish. If one is there that's worth the value, and I don't mean "QBs are the most valuable position in the league you have to take one" value, then take them. However, the Panthers would be well served to finally fix their repugnant offensive line problems, especially at LT, than to try a mega-reach on a QB.

Fix the line this year and then get your qb in the 2023 draft.  The timeline sucks but at least there is a plan in place instead of throwing poo against the wall
 

i also think the scouting process and combine stats on Howell are going to be entertaining to watch.   

[AU-panther]

On 10/25/2021 at 3:27 PM, kungfoodude said:

I don't mean current Browns, I mean 1999 to 2017 Browns. The period of 2 winning seasons and roughly 20-25 different QB's that started games.

They should have drafted a great OT....oh wait

 

Edited November 4, 2021 by AU-panther

[kungfoodude]

22 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Fix the line this year and then get your qb in the 2023 draft.  The timeline sucks but at least there is a plan in place instead of throwing poo against the wall
 

i also think the scouting process and combine stats on Howell are going to be entertaining to watch.   

2023 free agent QB class is projected to be excellent too.