After final cuts, how many guys and at what positions do we get from waivers?

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

  We have 2 games of good film, and we know what teams have logjams at certain positions. 

If we are bringing in a K, it needs to be now. 

I also wonder if Charlton's hold is not still the problem--i doubt it--but it had to be said dammit!

 

I like the story Pat McAfee talks about holding.  When he got drafted he told the Colts he held kicks.  He had never done it.  Apparently, they didn't bother checking on if the punter actually did it.  He showed up told the HOF kicker he had no clue.  Vinatari sent him to school to learn so that he wouldn't fug up his legacy. 

 

[SetfreexX]

31 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Luvu has been making plays. Looks to be solid depth. Not sure about how his speed holds up in coverage, but he plays fast downhill. I'm not arguing, just didn't want to forget someone who's having a great preseason. 

I have been surprised by Luvu, he also timed poorly I believe he was also 4.7's but I see him more in the EDGE category versus off-ball. Which was why I didn't mention him. 

I DO think he has a chance to become a guy fans love because he seems to give everything every snap, maybe one of those guys that plays faster than he times. 

I'm all about LB'ers that bring the thud!

[Raleigh PF]

Priority should be at FB and maybe TE. Maybe look through the fodder for OLine and corner, but I doubt there will be anyone out there that is much better than what the Panthers already have.

FB will be an option if there's a decent one out there to be had.

As many TEs as are on the roster, I have yet to see one that I would classify as a competent blocker. Tremble and Arnold are good pass catchers, but I haven't seen them blow up any blocks. I about laughed when an announcer said that Ian Thomas was the blocking tight end. Really? The need is real.

[45catfan]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

  We have 2 games of good film, and we know what teams have logjams at certain positions. 

If we are bringing in a K, it needs to be now. 

I also wonder if Charlton's hold is not still the problem--i doubt it--but it had to be said dammit!

 

 

Laces out!!!!!!!!

[SetfreexX]

31 minutes ago, Captroop said:

K has to be priority one. But I feel like some talent will become available. At this point, I don't think we need a booming leg, we just need someone who's automatic at 40 yards or less. I'd settle for someone who won't win us games but won't lose us any.

And speaking of booming legs, I have to say I'm really happy with Charlton.

MLB depth. After watching Johnston get gassed in the 3rd quarter, I'm really not comfortable with us even having a reliable 3rd string MLB.

And of course OL depth. But is seems like we're far from alone in that. There might be a bidding war for some teams' table scraps.

 

I wonder if he could consistently kick touchbacks?

That is what Joey offers the most, and TO BE fair Slye has been solid, with the leg power as a + but overall he's been a bottom 1/3 kicker in relation to accuracy -- https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3124084/joey-slye

In 2020 - 80.6% on FGs (23rd in the NFL) -- 91.7% on PATs (Tied for 20th) -- Longest 56 yards, tied for 9th

The real question is -- who is available that is better, that's the real question. 

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, Raleigh PF said:

Priority should be at FB and maybe TE. Maybe look through the fodder for OLine and corner, but I doubt there will be anyone out there that is much better than what the Panthers already have.

FB will be an option if there's a decent one out there to be had.

As many TEs as are on the roster, I have yet to see one that I would classify as a competent blocker. Tremble and Arnold are good pass catchers, but I haven't seen them blow up any blocks. I about laughed when an announcer said that Ian Thomas was the blocking tight end. Really? The need is real.

I wonder If Hoover would be willing to strap on the pads for one more season?

[CRA]

To be fair to Slye.  Let's note Carolina did lead the NFL in touchback %.  87.5% of his kickoffs are touchbacks. 

a middle of the road NFL had 59% touchbacks.  The worst was 33%. 

so he does provide some very good consistency on that front. 

[SetfreexX]

31 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I don't think Haynes or Miller are true DEs.  Both are undersized and are pure edge rushers.  They are essentially the same guy and one-trick ponies.  I would like to see one more traditional 4-3 DE added for depth.  The depth at LB is questionable beyond Luvu, the #4 guy.   I know Tremble likes to hit, but liking contact is not the only quality of a good FB.  I'd prefer a guy that has done it routinely and understands how to lead block while being able to execute.  Swing tackle and kicker are no-brainers.

You should watch the cut ups on Tremble, I'd say his Notre Dame tape would show he has the ability to lead block. 

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As far as LB's I think fans need to get out of the -- 4-3 mindset, our 1st defensive alignment was a 3-4 front: 

Fox (RE) Jones (NT) Brown (LE)

Edge - Burns & Reddick

Offball LB'er aka ILB - Shaq & Carter Jr.

S - Chinn & Burriss

If you think of the defense this way -- Haynes, Luve, and Miller all fit into the EDGE rotation as specifically Haynes at Ole Miss, and Miller at Alabama played from a two point stance. I'm not as familiar with Luvu, but I do know he has has Edge experience. 

So with that in mind we are in good shape -- with Yetur, Bravvion, Nixon, we have flexible pieces to roll out size as well as speed as I think we will see even more 3-4 and 4-3 Under Fronts, to go along with the 3-3-5 Snow introduced last year. 

Cover ability / speed at ILB are still my biggest concerns, with teams in 11 personnel 65+% of the time, the need for a ''tradition'' DE is less than we have been accustomed to if you were watching football before the spread started to take over.

[45catfan]

So this is who we need to think about when considering an upgrade: OT-Scott, FB-Rodney Smith, DE-Miller, LB-Stanford and/or Celestin and Slye.  It's pretty reasonable to imagine that after final cuts, there's going to be upgrades available.

[45catfan]

4 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

You should watch the cut ups on Tremble, I'd say his Notre Dame tape would show he has the ability to lead block. 

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As far as LB's I think fans need to get out of the -- 4-3 mindset, our 1st defensive alignment was a 3-4 front: 

Fox (RE) Jones (NT) Brown (LE)

Edge - Burns & Reddick

Offball LB'er aka ILB - Shaq & Carter Jr.

S - Chinn & Burriss

If you think of the defense this way -- Haynes, Luve, and Miller all fit into the EDGE rotation as specifically Haynes at Ole Miss, and Miller at Alabama played from a two point stance. I'm not as familiar with Luvu, but I do know he has has Edge experience. 

So with that in mind we are in good shape -- with Yetur, Bravvion, Nixon, we have flexible pieces to roll out size as well as speed as I think we will see even more 3-4 and 4-3 Under Fronts, to go along with the 3-3-5 Snow introduced last year. 

Cover ability / speed at ILB are still my biggest concerns, with teams in 11 personnel 65+% of the time, the need for a ''tradition'' DE is less than we have been accustomed to if you were watching football before the spread started to take over.

I would still like to see Tremble more in a power 'I" formation more instead of an H-back before I feel comfortable with his blocking.   Sure, when he's split out and has time to seek out a defender, he's pretty solid, but I want to see how he measures up inside where he's things get messy working with the OL, traditional FB plays.

I get we run multiple fronts and that's fine, but unless we are running a 3-4 and 3-3-5 exclusively, then I think we need another big-bodied DE.  It will not take teams long to figure out that if Miller and/or Hanyes is in the game, you go right at them.  They cannot hold the edge by themselves.  If a OT gets their hands on them, it's over.  Again, they are one-trick ponies.  I'm fine with our interior D-line and yes, they can slide out on certain occasions, but I think it's easier for heavy DE to slide inside and play a 3-tech on passing downs (like Obada did last year) than is it for a DT to slide outside and be an effective end.  Brown being the lone exception on the team, but he's also a top 10 pick.

[45catfan]

29 minutes ago, CRA said:

To be fair to Slye.  Let's note Carolina did lead the NFL in touchback %.  87.5% of his kickoffs are touchbacks. 

a middle of the road NFL had 59% touchbacks.  The worst was 33%. 

so he does provide some very good consistency on that front. 

Touchbacks are not what they used to be though, once the League move it out to the 25 yard line, that actually hurt it's importance.   That's the reason teams opt to grenade kick it now, chances are if there's a return, it will come up short of the 25 yard line.  Granted a touchback gives a returner 0% chance of a TD return, but I would venture to guess KO returns have plummeted since they have, not only moved up the KOs by 10 yards, but starting spotting touchbacks at the 25.

Edited August 23, 2021 by 45catfan

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Touchbacks are not what they used to be though, once the League move it out to the 25 yard line, that actually hurt it's importance.   That's the reason teams opt to grenade kick it now, chances are if there's a return, it will come up short of the 25 yard line.  Granted a touchback gives a returner 0% chance of a TD return, but I would venture to guess KO returns have plummeted since they have, not only moved up the KOs by 10 yards, but starting spotting touchbacks at the 25.

Yeah, was going to say this. That's actually why teams tend to kick short after that rule was changed. 

[BurnNChinn]

1 hour ago, ThPantherFan said:

Can't disagree except for LB. 

I agree man Luvu looks pretty damn good

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I like the story Pat McAfee talks about holding.  When he got drafted he told the Colts he held kicks.  He had never done it.  Apparently, they didn't bother checking on if the punter actually did it.  He showed up told the HOF kicker he had no clue.  Vinatari sent him to school to learn so that he wouldn't fug up his legacy. 

 

Close. Amusing story and worth a listen.