Question: Does CMC chew?

[NAS]

6 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

Considering how religious he is toward his diet and taking care of his body, I'd be shocked if he dipped.

This. I seriously doubt he would do that. 

[KillaCamNewton]

Its not as uncommon for NFL players to dip as you might think. Alot of them do it just to simply stay awake during meetings

[Riverboat Ron]

Probably black tar heroin.

[cardiackat88.]

There was a cut scene to him in the late 3rd or early 4th and he was visibly putting a large wad of something into his mouth, but his fingers obscured the view.

[KSpan]

20 hours ago, Cdparr7 said:

Chewing/Dipping isn’t as hard on the body as smoking but for athletes it still has its drawbacks. Also surprised the NFL would allow it on the sidelines.

Maybe fair to say it doesn't harm the lungs like smoking but it's still a major factor for heart disease, store/blood pressure, and cancer, and even worse in other ways such as oral cancer and disorder due to the direct contact with oral tissues. 

Not to derail the thread, but having had an old acquaintance need a portion of his jaw removed due to oral cancer really drove home the myths around dip vs cigarettes.

[kungfoodude]

No he does not chew. He has a staff of expert chewers that masticate his food and then spit it into his mouth to preserve his immaculate jawline from undue wear.

[Cdparr7]

17 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Maybe fair to say it doesn't harm the lungs like smoking but it's still a major factor for heart disease, store/blood pressure, and cancer, and even worse in other ways such as oral cancer and disorder due to the direct contact with oral tissues. 

Not to derail the thread, but having had an old acquaintance need a portion of his jaw removed due to oral cancer really drove home the myths around dip vs cigarettes.

No I don’t disagree. Chewing/Dipping definitely has serious dangers. I was just referring to the pulmonary issues and draw backs with the lungs and how that would hurt athletes performance short and long term. Wasn’t trying to down play the dangers.

[Snake]

5 hours ago, KSpan said:

Maybe fair to say it doesn't harm the lungs like smoking but it's still a major factor for heart disease, store/blood pressure, and cancer, and even worse in other ways such as oral cancer and disorder due to the direct contact with oral tissues. 

Not to derail the thread, but having had an old acquaintance need a portion of his jaw removed due to oral cancer really drove home the myths around dip vs cigarettes.

It puts you at risk about as much as brushing your teeth too hard. There actually is no proven data thats says a wet tobacco user has anymore than slightly elevated chance of oral cancer or high blood pressure. Now putting burnt plant matter in your lungs has clinical proof that not only does it increase oral cancer but also lung and hart disease. Is it healthy? No But Caffeine,weed and Alcohol is also unhealthy. Sugar also kills more that all of them combined as well.

Edited August 23, 2021 by Snake

[Snake]

1 minute ago, Ace420 said:

Is that like a certain brand or something?

 

 

Lol

Yup Deez beechnuts

[Snake]

Just now, Ace420 said:

Could be packaged dip that comes in little paper pouches so it doesn't get all in your teeth. Rednecks call them pushy pouches lol. I used them 1t years ago as a step to help me quit smoking. It worked.

Congrats kicking the butts. 

[joemac]

25 minutes ago, Ace420 said:

Is that like a certain brand or something?

 

 

Lol

Lol yeah, actually they’re made by this new company called “Ligma”.

[KSpan]

53 minutes ago, Snake said:

It puts you at risk about as much as brushing your teeth too hard. There actually is no proven data thats says a wet tobacco user has anymore than slightly elevated chance of oral cancer or high blood pressure. Now putting burnt plant matter in your lungs has clinical proof that not only does it increase oral cancer but also lung and hart disease. Is it healthy? No But Caffeine,weed and Alcohol is also unhealthy. Sugar also kills more that all of them combined as well.

While risk levels of specific lesions can vary by product, several of those statements are incorrect. A general study about disorders resulting from smokeless tobacco use:

https://www.cda-adc.ca/jcda/vol-66/issue-1/22.html

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It has been observed that the oral cancers due to smokeless tobacco use may occur in sites that are different from the cancers caused by other factors. Users of smokeless tobacco exhibit oral cancer where the quid is held, that is, the buccal or alveolar surfaces. Oral cancer that has developed due to other causes is more commonly found on the tongue, the tonsil or retromolar area and the floor of the mouth; infrequently, it is found on the alveolar surface or buccal mucosa.

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This form of tobacco use has many oral effects including leukoplakia, oral cancer, loss of periodontal support (recession), and staining of teeth and composite restorations. Systemic effects such as nicotine dependence, transient hypertension and cardiovascular disease may also result from smokeless tobacco use. This paper aims to guide dental practitioners in identifying oral lesions that occur due to the use of smokeless tobacco and also offer guidelines on how to counsel patients who express a desire to stop using smokeless tobacco products.

As one example regarding cancer risk:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15470264/

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The purpose of this article is to review research relevant to this association, including epidemiologic studies, studies of putative carcinogens such as tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) and other contaminants, and possible cancer inhibitors. Epidemiologic studies addressing this issue primarily consist of case-control studies. They show that the use of chewing tobacco and moist snuff is associated with very low risks for cancers of the oral cavity and related structures (relative risks [RR] from 0.6 to 1.7). The use of dry snuff is associated with higher RRs, ranging from 4 to 13, while the RRs from smokeless tobacco, unspecified as to type, are intermediate (RR = 1.5 to 2.8).

Another regarding oral cancer:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4268996/

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In conclusion, tobacco-specific N-nitrosamines are the major cancer causing agents in smokeless tobacco. Others cancer causing agents that are present in smokeless tobacco include cadmium, polonium-210, formaldehyde, benzo(a)pyrene and lead. Although there is presence of some compounds, carotenoids and phenolic compounds, that have cancer inhibiting properties, they are in low concentrations. Therefore, it is concluded that smokeless tobacco has risk for oral cancer – either low, medium or high depending on the balance between cancer causing agents and cancer inhibiting agents.

Smokeless tobacco also quite literally elevates blood pressure upon use (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12704595/), and while far from the only activity to do so this represents an unnecessary risk factor, particularly for regular users. Also a strong association with CHD:

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Conclusion: A significant positive association was detected between SLT use and risk of fatal CHD, especially for European users and those consuming snus/snuff. In view of the positive association even after strict adjustment for smoking, these results underscore the need for inclusion of cessation efforts for smokeless tobacco in addition to smoking for control of fatal cardiovascular diseases.

Implications: The present meta-analysis demonstrates a global perspective of association between coronary heart disease (CHD) and use of smokeless tobacco (SLT), especially for fatal cardiac events, even with strict adjustment for smoking. There appears to be some difference in this effect based on the type of SLT product used. These results highlight the independent deleterious effect of SLT products on the outcome of CHD and might help to resolve the long-standing controversy regarding the association of SLT with the risk of CHD. Hence, we propose that in addition to smoking, cessation efforts should be directed towards SLT products as well, for control of cardiovascular diseases.

With respect to the second half of your post I'm not sure how that's relevant to a discussion about risk of tobacco products and no one made the type of claim you're seemingly attempting to refute but yeah, those are known to be unhealthy as well.

I won't make any more comments about this here so as to avoid further derailing.

Edited August 23, 2021 by KSpan

[cookinbrak]

6 hours ago, cardiackat88. said:

There was a cut scene to him in the late 3rd or early 4th and he was visibly putting a large wad of something into his mouth, but his fingers obscured the view.

It was eastern NC BBQ. 

[Cdparr7]

1 hour ago, Ace420 said:

Could be packaged dip that comes in little paper pouches so it doesn't get all in your teeth. Rednecks call them pussy pouches lol. I used them 15 years ago as a step to help me quit smoking. It worked.

I know some folks that do this to keep dip out of their teeth so their wife or boss dont see it. Looking back, that’s kinda what it looks like.