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7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Alex Smith was a lot better with Harbaugh (same team that drafted him).  Second highest rating was last year in SF 2012 104.1 vs 104.7 in 2017. I wouldn’t call that “significant” but I suppose everyone is a critic.  I wouldn’t call Vick a bust or reclamation project. He dominated when he was healthy then got in legal trouble. Winston is just a complete guess who isn’t even named the starter yet…

Vick was the best athlete I've ever seen on an NFL field who just happened to handle the ball every snap in Atlanta. He wasn't a QB until Reid got his hands on him.

Smith was consistently good with the Chiefs - he was inconsistent with the 49ers.

Yes, everyone is a critic. 

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2 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Vick was the best athlete I've ever seen on an NFL field who just happened to handle the ball every snap in Atlanta. He wasn't a QB until Reid got his hands on him.

Smith was consistently good with the Chiefs - he was inconsistent with the 49ers.

Yes, everyone is a critic. 

Smith was good with Harbaugh.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8416/alex-smith
 

A 90.7 and 104.1 rating his last two years (only years he had Harbaugh). I wouldn’t call that a “bust”. Colin K was just the younger option who Harbaugh also had playing well. The Chiefs weren’t really trying to reclaim his career. Vick definitely got better with the Eagles, but again I don’t know of many people who would call him a “bust” with the Falcons from a skill standpoint. You basically just named two QBs who played better with Andy Reid which is expected since he is one of the best offensively minded coaches in the league…

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19 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Again I'm not the one making definitive statements.

Those are very narrow parameters [top 3, dominant, traded], but you can have Alex Smith and Mike Vick as two examples of QBs taken in the 'Top 3' who were significantly better at their second stop. 

Obviously Ryan Tannehill is the prime example of a 1st round QB reclamation project in recent years and he also had the misfortune of being coached by Gase. 

I would not be at all surprised if Payton turns Winston into a thorn in our side. 

OK. 22 QBs chosen in the top half of the first round from 2011-19. First year of rookie deals that changed everything. 
 

  7 are(were) worthy of that status. Cam, Luck, Watson, Mahomes, Allen, Mayfield, Murray. Tannehill and Goff could go either way. 

13 were busts. Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Manuel, RG111, Bortles, Winston, Mariota, Darnold, Haskins, Rosen, Trubisky, Jones. 
 

  So of 20, there is a 35% a team gets a franchise QB. Of all those busts, who “turned” it around? Tannehill was on his 2nd contract, with a major injury, on the team that drafted him. 
 

   

 

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Other than fan driven opinion. Can anyone show me 1 piece of actual proof that Sam is a bust? No, no you can't. Because there is no set scale for grading a bust. Busts is a critique, not a metric.

 

Is there a chart that shows where the line is? Above the line, you can stay. Below the line, you gone. No. Because there is no line.

 

All you negative types are claiming bust, based on your own biases. Not by any actual empirical evidence, but by your own personal grading system.

 

Sam is still in the league. Therefore, he is not a bust. See how easy that was?

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32 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

Other than fan driven opinion. Can anyone show me 1 piece of actual proof that Sam is a bust? No, no you can't. Because there is no set scale for grading a bust. Busts is a critique, not a metric.

 

Is there a chart that shows where the line is? Above the line, you can stay. Below the line, you gone. No. Because there is no line.

 

All you negative types are claiming bust, based on your own biases. Not by any actual empirical evidence, but by your own personal grading system.

 

Sam is still in the league. Therefore, he is not a bust. See how easy that was?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/nfl/story/2020-12-21/nfl-jets-trevor-lawrence-sam-darnold-usc%3f_amp=true

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