Matt Rhule after SECOND Joint Practice with the Colts

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Winning and losing has everything to do with Rhule getting the blame for last season. He's the coach. Ultimate credit and blame fall on the coach. Do you think Tepper will keep paying him year after year if he doesn't get the team winning? Last season was strike one. It'll be interesting to see how many strikes Tepper gives him.

 

I am going to say this one more time. Very few people are blaming Rhule for last year. Pandemic, no OTAs, no Pre Season, 1st season on a team that had little talent. There is no blame to be had.

 

Now throw me another "Winning is all that matters" and we can be done.

[SBBlue]

1 minute ago, jayboogieman said:

 If he had final say on the roster decisions as was rumored

I guess Tepper didn't get that memo.

[Basbear]

8 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

I am going to say this one more time. Very few people are blaming Rhule for last year. Pandemic, no OTAs, no Pre Season, 1st season on a team that had little talent. There is no blame to be had.

 

Now throw me another "Winning is all that matters" and we can be done.

For me it was the most difficult start for a HC in NFL history. Plus give the team was in all but about 10 quarters of play, one great coaching job throughout ALL the adversity.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Basbear

[SBBlue]

Just now, Basbear said:

For me it was the most difficult start for a HC in NFL history. Plus give the team was in all but about 10 quarters of play, one great coaching job throughout the ALL the adversity.

Yeah Rhule was a pleasant surprise.  I was not excited about a college coach.  I wanted Bieniemy.  But then, going for it on 4th down, 2 successful fake punts just a week apart, slow walking d linemen substitutions to force timeouts..... that oline should NOT have been middle of the pack and the growth in the young D was outstanding. 

All without a preseason in the middle of pandemic.  

People can look at the record last year as minus, but I'm not sure what they were expecting.  IMO Rhule did not lose chips with Tepper last year.  He gained them, and cashed some in to push Marty out.   And for that move alone, I will forever be grateful. 

[iamhubby1]

You know what Pre Season is for? It's for the fans to learn their team. They watch a guy, and they go, I don't know your name, but I'm going to keep my eye on you. 

 

You may not know the guys name, but you learn the number. Then you learn the name. All the while feeling good that you picked a diamond out of the rough.

 

Who cares about the starters. We already know what they are. Sorta. Show me those guys fighting for their professional lives. Those are the guys I want to see.

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, SBBlue said:

First, it was 5-11 to 5-11.

Second, Tepper felt Rhule didn't even have some input Hurney's financial and staff decisions.   When Tepper fired Hurney, the reason was because he didn't listen to Rhule:

"You look at successful organizations, and there's a certain alignment between the head coach and the GM," Tepper said. "To think that you can do that without some sort of alignment is nuts. So to not have a head coach with some input into that is stupid."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30572361/carolina-panthers-part-ways-gm-marty-hurney

The deadline to exercise Darnold's 5th year option was May 3rd 2021.  He would be more expensive if we didn't.    Darnold's cap hit this year is 4.7M and next year 18.8.  That's a starting QB for about 11M a year.
21 fifth-year options picked up for 2018 first-round picks - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

We are currently sitting on 24M in cap space.  Money is not why we are not investing further into the offensive line.  

So Tepper gave a college coach 9M/yr guaranteed, but told him he had to listen to the one person mainly Responsible(twice)for the mess you were brought into fix. Because that’s an even higher level of incompetence than I’m suggesting. So Hurney just slapped a roster full of players and threw them at Rhule with a “play with these guys” and no questions asked. Where is Hurney mentioned in the article below? Written after the ARI game when everyone was taking credit for TB. Not when they needed a scapegoat. 
 

   If he isn’t any better this year, the Panthers will have another 19M backup QB. Just like this year. When they could have been done after this year if he fails. Even if he goes “Tannehil”, it doesn’t save anything because you would pay him anyhow. Now he has to succeed or it’s 19M out the window. Where is the upside to making this move? Because the downside is obvious. And none of the Disney answers like before. 

https://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/34244/teddy-bridgewater-becoming-to-panthers-what-drew-brees-is-to-saints

   

Edited August 14, 2021 by Toomers

[jayboogieman]

25 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

Now throw me another "Winning is all that matters" and we can be done.

Since you insist:

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Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.

The objective is to win: fairly, squarely, decently, win by the rules, but still win.

Winning is not a sometime thing...it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while...you don't do the right thing once in a while...you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit.

 

Those are quotes from the guy they named the trophy after.

I'm done now.

[iamhubby1]

1 minute ago, jayboogieman said:

Since you insist:

Those are quotes from the guy they named the trophy after.

I'm done now.

lol That has nothing to do with your assertion that Rhule gets blame for last year. So surprise surprise, you're still a ...

[Toker Smurf]

7 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

With the new preseason schedule, it's odd how teams are treating the 1st game like they used to treat the 4th game. I would've thought we would see them approach it like the old 2nd, 3rd, and 4th games in that order.

I'm guessing now that we're going to see the new preseason schedule treated like the old 4th, 3rd, and 1st games in that order. I didn't expect that.

Was thinking they might change it up. Two weeks between third preseason game and first regular season game. Might want some reps in that third game.

[Basbear]

5 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Yeah Rhule was a pleasant surprise.  I was not excited about a college coach.  I wanted Bieniemy.  But then, going for it on 4th down, 2 successful fake punts just a week apart, slow walking d linemen substitutions to force timeouts..... that oline should NOT have been middle of the pack and the growth in the young D was outstanding. 

All without a preseason in the middle of pandemic.  

People can look at the record last year as minus, but I'm not sure what they were expecting.  IMO Rhule did not lose chips with Tepper last year.  He gained them, and cashed some in to push Marty out.   And for that move alone, I will forever be grateful. 

I dont lie, I wanted Josh McDaniels...i know his history and hes a douche etc etc. I just thought he was the best HC available. I was indifferent on Rhule. I did not agree with hiring coaches form powerhouses Baylor/Temple.... 7 teams replaced coaches and many had GREAT coaching staffs, hell dallas's whole staff was top self. Philly had a legit staff as well, I wanted duce staley BAD. Many NFL proven coaches that have been in wars. Rhule hired his bros along with adding all sort of new positions thanks to teppers billions. Luke retired, many FAs leftd, cuts, etc. Rhule got this team fighting in the heavyweight class while at 165Lbs and most of the time it went to the judges score cards. HUGE PROPS.

Super glad Rhule is the current coach. I'm enjoying the new direction/energy/leadership and Rhule forced me to feel that. I do not believe a re-tread coach would get that same result. Come 2022 I feel the playoffs will played at the bank thanks to Rhule's hard-HARD work. 

[SBBlue]

16 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So Tepper gave a college coach 9M/yr guaranteed, but told him he had to listen to the one person mainly Responsible(twice)for the mess you were brought into fix. Because that’s an even higher level of incompetence than I’m suggesting. So Hurney just slapped a roster full of players and threw them at Rhule with a “play with these guys” and no questions asked. Where is Hurney mentioned in the article below? Written after the ARI game when everyone was taking credit for TB. Not when they needed a scapegoat. 

Your and my uninformed opinion doesn't matter.  All that matters is Tepper's.  Tepper said: "So to not have a head coach with some input into that is stupid."    Sounds like Tepper thinks that Rhule didn't have some input into that, and fired Hurney.
 

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Even if he goes “Tannehil”, it doesn’t save anything because you would pay him anyhow.

The upside is if he goes "Tannehill" as you say and we start winning.

Are you saying that you wouldn't want Darnold if he went "Tannehill" because he's not at the beginning of a rookie contract?  

 

Edited August 14, 2021 by SBBlue

[Ocpanthertew714]

20 more hours you say?!

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I dont lie, I wanted Josh McDaniels...i know his history and hes a douche etc etc. I just thought he was the best HC available. I was indifferent on Rhule. I did not agree with hiring coaches form powerhouses Baylor/Temple.... 7 teams replaced coaches and many had GREAT coaching staffs, hell dallas's whole staff was top self. Philly had a legit staff as well, I wanted duce staley BAD. Many NFL proven coaches that have been in wars. Rhule hired his bros along with adding all sort of new positions thanks to teppers billions. Luke retired, many FAs leftd, cuts, etc. Rhule got this team fighting in the heavyweight class while at 165Lbs and most of the time it went to the judges score cards. HUGE PROPS.

Super glad Rhule is the current coach. I'm enjoying the new direction/energy/leadership and Rhule forced me to feel that. I do not believe a re-tread coach would get that same result. Come 2022 I feel the playoffs will played at the bank thanks to Rhule's hard-HARD work. 

I definitely wanted zero part of McD. Living in CO and having box tickets at Mile High (via work) I can tell you that McD was every bit the poo show that Lane Kiffen was for the Raiders, the Broncos just didn't have an Al Davis to have everything played out in the media.

[Basbear]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I definitely wanted zero part of McD. Living in CO and having box tickets at Mile High (via work) I can tell you that McD was every bit the poo show that Lane Kiffen was for the Raiders, the Broncos just didn't have an Al Davis to have everything played out in the media.

Yep I remember you voicing those same opinions, it was a weak HC class to pick form. No question it was a epic failure at Denver, even drafting Teblows wasnt in the top five worst decisions. 2nd chance and all that....