REPORT: Panthers want to get long term deal done with Taylor Moton before deadline

[shaqattaq]

46 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

100%

I love CMC, but honestly I'd never put big money into a RB. That's a draft 'em, not pay 'em position IMO. Most just have too short a shelf life in the NFL. Sure, there are exceptions but betting on exceptions usually isn't a smart play.

 

CMC is a top notch RB and a top notch WR, but...that was a hellova contract, and the cap hit doubles next season. 

[frankw]

17 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

that was a hellova contract, and the cap hit doubles next season. 

Yeah it isn't like Carolina hasn't seen this story before. The Panthers tied up over 70 million dollars in two running backs 10 years ago and fans never let us forget about it in the years that followed. But handing 64 million to one running back now is just different

[SBBlue]

How the Saints cleared $111 million in cap space and what it means for 2022 - New Orleans Saints Blog- ESPN

$23.925 million cleared by Brees’ retirement and ‘pay cut’
Brees was scheduled to count $36.15 million against this year’s cap, including a salary of $25 million and $11.15 million in dead money from previous signing bonuses. He then had another $11.5 million in dead money scheduled to hit the books next year after his contract ran out.   If the Saints wait to file Brees’ retirement paperwork until after June 1, they can split the dead money charge over two years ($11.15 million this year and $11.5 million next year). The problem is that if they wait until June 1, they have to count Brees’ salary on their books until then.  So Brees agreed to a “pay cut” to the veteran minimum salary of $1.075 million for this season, lowering his cap charge to $12.225 million until June 1 and $11.15 million after June 1.

$35 million cleared by releasing or trading players
Released: Alexander 13.4 Jenkins 7 Easton 5.875 Sanders 4 J. Hill 2.605 Morestead 2.5

Traded: Brown 5
Replaced with players making 660-780k

Where the magic happens: 52 million cleared by restructuring contracts
Let’s say a player is scheduled to have a $10 million salary and a $10 million cap charge this season, and he has three years remaining on his contract. If you change that to a $1 million salary and a $9 million signing bonus, then the bonus can be counted as $3 million over each of the next three years. Suddenly you’re paying the player the same amount of money in 2021, but his cap charge drops from $10 million to $4 million.

Take this method a step further by creating fake contract extensions scheduled to automatically void before they become reality. The Saints made waves on Sunday by doing this with quarterback Taysom Hill’s contract -- giving him fake salaries of $35 million per year from 2022 to 2025. Hill will never see that money, but teams sometimes make those salaries exorbitantly high because an NFL rule says players can’t renegotiate a higher salary within 12 months of their most recent renegotiation.
Jordan 9.525, Thomas 8.7, Hill 7.75, Peat 6, Oneymata 4.34, Davis 3.91875, Jenkins 2.9, Lutz 1.74

 

Edited July 1, 2021 by SBBlue

[TheSpecialJuan]

14 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

How the Saints cleared $111 million in cap space and what it means for 2022 - New Orleans Saints Blog- ESPN

$23.925 million cleared by Brees’ retirement and ‘pay cut’
Brees was scheduled to count $36.15 million against this year’s cap, including a salary of $25 million and $11.15 million in dead money from previous signing bonuses. He then had another $11.5 million in dead money scheduled to hit the books next year after his contract ran out.   If the Saints wait to file Brees’ retirement paperwork until after June 1, they can split the dead money charge over two years ($11.15 million this year and $11.5 million next year). The problem is that if they wait until June 1, they have to count Brees’ salary on their books until then.  So Brees agreed to a “pay cut” to the veteran minimum salary of $1.075 million for this season, lowering his cap charge to $12.225 million until June 1 and $11.15 million after June 1.

$35 million cleared by releasing or trading players
Released: Alexander 13.4 Jenkins 7 Easton 5.875 Sanders 4 J. Hill 2.605 Morestead 2.5

Traded: Brown 5
Replaced with players making 660-780k

Where the magic happens: 52 million cleared by restructuring contracts
Let’s say a player is scheduled to have a $10 million salary and a $10 million cap charge this season, and he has three years remaining on his contract. If you change that to a $1 million salary and a $9 million signing bonus, then the bonus can be counted as $3 million over each of the next three years. Suddenly you’re paying the player the same amount of money in 2021, but his cap charge drops from $10 million to $4 million.

Take this method a step further by creating fake contract extensions scheduled to automatically void before they become reality. The Saints made waves on Sunday by doing this with quarterback Taysom Hill’s contract -- giving him fake salaries of $35 million per year from 2022 to 2025. Hill will never see that money, but teams sometimes make those salaries exorbitantly high because an NFL rule says players can’t renegotiate a higher salary within 12 months of their most recent renegotiation.
Jordan 9.525, Thomas 8.7, Hill 7.75, Peat 6, Oneymata 4.34, Davis 3.91875, Jenkins 2.9, Lutz 1.74

 

brilliant work 

[AU-panther]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I get it.   However, you overpay, it bites you in the rear.  Moton is very good, but he is not Jordan Gross good.  A RT is a LOT easier to replace than a DE, LT, or QB.  We may go near $20m, and our cap is under control moving forward, but in the end.  We all want Moton, but not if it costs us a Burns, for example. 

A lot easier to replace? Maybe not as important but I don’t know if I would say harder to find.  Every year quality edge seem to hit free agency, albeit very expensive.  Sometimes you can’t find quality OTs, left or right, even if you are willing to pay for it.

Nobody is saying to pay him and not Burns.  You pay your elite players, that play important positions, that are hard to replace and Moton at RT qualifies for that. What you don’t do is overpay average or below average players that you can replace with cheap rookies or vet on cheap deals.

 

[frankw]

25 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It gets frustrating how much we try to belittle great players due to their salaries.

This is true for sports but one winning season out of four is what it is. 2021 is a make or break year in many ways and not just for the highest paid players guys on lower end contracts looking to move up have just as much at stake too.

[SBBlue]

17 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

brilliant work 

Yeah the saints method for handling cap is brilliant and assumes the cap goes up.  

All-Pro T Ryan Ramczyk, Saints agree to blockbuster contract extension (usatoday.com)

Most people miss that even as they signed Ramczyk’s record contract, they restructured his 2021 salary cap hit. He was due 11 against the cap due to his fifth year option, but the new deal saves cap space this year.

[OldhamA]

21 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Completely disagree. We only have two bloated contracts on the roster currently(CMC and Shaq) but without Moton we are going to be bad for quite some time.

Nothing bloated about McCaffrey's contract.

You're paying a premium price for a premium player.

[OldhamA]

20 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

This is why you draft Fields at 8, and have a QB on a rookie deal for 4 years plus the 5th year option.

I understand the DB need, but I'm not sold on Sam same way I wasn't on TB. And he's locked in for 18M next year. 

The money we're paying Darnold is irrelevant. 

If he's good we'd pay him whatever he wants - as any team does with their QB. If he's bad he's off the books next year.

[KatsAzz]

Moton is considered a future elite tackle, and many believe the Panthers would be crazy to let him go. We’re going to see over the 2021 season just how much of a jump he makes into the elite tackle many expect him to be.

Whether he’s reached the top 10 tackles in the game is up for honest debate.

It might be more fair to argue that he’s reached the top 15 tackle group. Pro Football Focus currently lists Moton as the 13th best tackle in the game with an 81.2 rating, just under Detroit’s Taylor Decker and just above Los Angeles Rams’ Rob Havenstein.

Connor Orr of Sports Illustrated even claimed that Moton “established himself as an absolute necessity at the right tackle spot” and believes “he was a must for the Panthers to retain”.

What’s generally agreed is the Panthers need Moton for their future.

[frankw]

14 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Nothing bloated about McCaffrey's contract.

You're paying a premium price for a premium player.

It would be great to see some premium wins too.

[Jared Patterson]

Moton is worth every penny. Its not his fault we want to wait everything out like always.....Im sure he's asking for more than Ram now. 

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Well, the only year he played with a decent and healthy QB, we were 11-5.

You mean the season our starting qb had 754 rushing yards and 6 rushing tds? Sadly that isn't ever going to happen again so this o line will have to be up to the task.

[Jared Patterson]

Easily a top 5 RT in the league. Likely top 3.