Pro Football Network ranks the offensive lines

[iamhubby1]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

They were better than expected but technically speaking according to just PFF scores, Erving and Elflein is a downgrade at both spots over Okung and Reed. You are going from 73 and 63 to 58 and 48. That’s going from good and ok to ok and bad.

I know there’s always optimism and hope but raw data wise we are a worse OL than last year. The other worrisome part is that we added some more guys with injury histories, but they haven’t been solid like Okung when healthy. We have to pray that the OL, especially Moton and Paradis, stay healthy.

 

Positions we upgraded over the OffSeason. DL, LB, CB, WR, RB, TE, and throw in QB, because Sam just has to be better than Teddy. We could also say moving Chinn to S upgrades them as well.

 

We also added 6 guys for the Oline.

 

That is an awful lot of talent in just 1 OffSeason. Maybe we can be grateful we have a competent staff in place for once. And be patient enough to let them finish building this team, before we go bonkers?

[iamhubby1]

21 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. Dude, you are in a thread about the OL. Are we supposed to talk about something else? No one in here has said we don’t like Rhule and we don’t like Fitterer. We’ve only said that our preseason rankings are pretty much spot on. We did not invest heavily in OL like Tampa and NO have done pretty well at recently with Wirfs, McCoy, Ruiz and Ramzcyk. Doesn’t mean we aren’t excited about Horn, but we can be legitimately worried about the OL. It’s been a legit concern since 2017. Don’t be shocked if we invest heavily on OL in the next draft unless Christensen, Moore and Brown play way better than their draft slot and we actually extend Moton.

Stop worrying about Rhule and Co.’s feelings. We are in much better shape overall than still having Marty and Ron. It’s ok for us to be excited by the D and offensive weapons but also be a bit hesitant on the OL. I know I’m even cautiously optimistic about Darnold. 

 

Yeah, I should have known asking for patience was to much to ask.

 

Yeah, waiting until we actually, you know, see these guys play in real games before we allow our angst to run amok was asking too much. Instead of focusing on what is good, let's just harp on what is perceived to be bad.

 

Ah, the Huddle. Where folks can harp and complain to their hearts content. But you ask for a little patience? Boom, out go the lights.

Edited June 25, 2021 by iamhubby1

[TheSpecialJuan]

22 hours ago, Captain Morgan said:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-in-the-nfl-ranked/

 

31) Carolina Panthers

When we look back at the 2021 NFL Draft in the coming years, the Carolina Panthers not addressing their offensive line could easily stand out as one of the more questionable decisions. While they retained Taylor Moton on the franchise tag at right tackle, Cameron Erving is set to start at left tackle. Erving’s 1.7% run stuff rate is among the bottom 10 for players who played more than 100 snaps in 2020.

An interior grouping of Matt Paradis, Pat Elflein, and John Miller does not give the line a huge boost. Paradis struggled in the run game with 14 blown blocks, tied for the third most. Meanwhile, Elflein’s blown block rate of 4% placed him as the seventh-worst interior offensive lineman in 2020.

[mrcompletely11]

35 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Yeah, I should have known asking for patience was to much to ask.

 

Yeah, waiting until we actually, you know, see these guys play in real games before we allow our angst to run amok was asking too much. Instead of focusing on what is good, let's just harp on what is perceived to be bad.

 

Ah, the Huddle. Where folks can harp and complain to their hearts content. But you ask for a little patience? Boom, out go the lights.

Are you high or drunk or both?

[iamhubby1]

28 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Please turn your reading comprehension on next time. We are in a damn OL thread. My post was entirely about the OL and why the ranking is worse this year even though we played better than expected. The guys we added aren’t Wirfs, Orlando Brown, McCoy or Ramzcyk level talents.

Damn, you have a complex like people are insulting your ugly baby. We aren’t talking about the rest of the team and nobody’s going bonkers. Rhule and Fitterer don’t need your help. They’ve done fine so far but the OL still needs work. Marty dismantled the talent on this team with a horrific set of two drafts and throwing money away to try and compete. We’ve added a lot of talent and if you read my posts even when I wanted to tank, I was never expecting to compete until 2022 or so.  

 

21 minutes ago, stbugs said:

You are a trip. It’s amazing that someone who only thinks they have a valid thought process is floored when people don’t agree.

The best part is we don’t give a crap about your attempt to make people better, which is pretty pathetic on an Internet message board but I digress. We are in a thread on the preseason ranking of the OL. Guess what, the discussion is going to be about that. WTF does patience and waiting until we see if the FAs play better than they ever had or seeing if 3rd and 6th round rookies play better than draft slots have to do with this thread? Nothing. You are just trying to project your pretty pompous opinions about stuff that’s not relevant. Good day sir. If you can’t handle opinions before the season and require patience maybe this isn’t the right place for you.

 

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Are you high or drunk or both?

 

Exhibit A, B, and C on why you should never have an opposing opinion. 

 

Oh nooo, our Oline is gonna suck. We never ever put any effort into improving it. Is that better?

[shaq]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

well, when being compared to other teams....

you can certainly drop by simply remaining the same. 

It’s not like this was even a great o-line draft, talent around the league hasn’t changed much ngl.

[Basbear]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

Miller was fine, he’s 100% upgradeable. Even Paradis was OK, but this (it’s not PFF although they were similar) is about the fact that we have 1 solid guy and 4 JAGs/below average guys.

I disagree that you can assume a rookie 3rd rounder will start. Hopefully, he will ball out and take a spot but you can’t assume he’ll win the job as a rookie 3rd rounder. Same with Erving and Elflein, their past is not good at all. Just like we hope Darnold will improve, the OL is Moton and a bunch of hope.

The other thing is that unless the rookies look good, our depth is paper thin. Moton has been an iron man and, knock on wood, he continues, but imagine if he or Paradis get knocked out for a long period. Not a good thought.

These preseason rankings aren’t that useful but like the PFF one, it’s not like we added Sewell or Orlando Brown to the OL. Saying we’re worse due to going from Okung to Erving isn’t a stretch. Reed as bad as he was, had a way higher PFF score than Elflein so for this article we got worse there too.

Currently, (but can change) my take on OL is as follows- In short, not worried about right side. That is including paradis, its a huge pool to find the best fit at RG. Miller played average-to-above, nothing wrong with him at RG.....tho looking at the numbers game Miller is the one I see being cut in order to keep Moore or Tecklenburg.

Concerns are backup C, LT(most everyone), and not per say LG.....Just like RG has a pool of around 6, LG should be filled with a decent option. LT with giving Erv, Daley, Little, and Scott a legit shot. Yea all feel like depth, just have no other real option at this stage . Just need some luck there and who knows. 

Panthers have 11 deep. On top of there are some sleepers in Kaskey, Horton, and Tecklenburg.  Depth-wise they have came a long way in a just one year. Many of the guys can play across the line as well. Coaching matters and thats whos got to figure this group out.......Id prefer to coach the RB group over OL...by farr. 

[bythenbrs]

5 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

The building of this team is yet to be completed. Maybe we can wait until the process is complete, before we decide to burn the place down?

No.  Everyone knows you can completely gut and rebuild a roster in two years AND be a playoff contender.  Burn it.  Burn it down now, and salt the ground for good measure.

/sar

Edited June 26, 2021 by bythenbrs

[iamhubby1]

42 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

No.  Everyone knows you can completely gut and rebuild a roster in two years AND be a playoff contender.  Burn it.  Burn it down now, and salt the ground for good measure.

/sar

 

Way to drive that point home. lol

[kungfoodude]

12 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Are you high or drunk or both?

I am assuming we just have to wait for the first season loss and then he will rage quit because losing games and discussions about losses is "negative thought."

[iamhubby1]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am assuming we just have to wait for the first season loss and then he will rage quit because losing games and discussions about losses is "negative thought."

 

Aw, did someone miss me? Following me around is kinda cute, a little creepy, but cute.

 

You know what they say when you assume? So...do you just assume you are the smartest one in every room? 

 

See, the thing is, even though you are the King of insults, that insulting someone only works, if that someone actually cares about what you have to say. 

 

Don't bother replying. It will only be some lame azz comment about my emotional state, or my intelligence. Just take the L, and move on. lol 

 

Who knew that football could be so, liberating.

[Mr. Scot]

On 6/25/2021 at 6:36 AM, AndrewLaskoski said:

I wonder if Fitterer is keeping up with Morgan Moses. If they extend Moton, they could use the cap savings to help bring in Moses on a 2ish year deal. 

Moses is a Jet (for this year, anyway).

No indication we were interested.

[SBBlue]

Same thing, except last in the division.

Ranking The NFC South Offensive Lines: Bucs Vs. Saints (pewterreport.com)

Nobody likes Erving and Eiflin....those signings really are a mystery.

[Madwolf]

On 6/24/2021 at 7:41 PM, Eazy-E said:

They have Jets line rated higher because of adding one first round lineman. I guess they also forgot Becton couldn’t stay on the field either.

He played in 14 of their 16 games.