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Broncos 2020 1st rd WR on their QBs


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16 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It’s the arm too. When he actually wasn’t scared, i.e. guys were wide open, he’d still alter their speed and route. That video is the perfect microcosm. Wide open WR has to slow down to wait for the ball even though it wasn’t a long throw. If the defender was closer, he would have panicked and just flipped the ball to the coach and say I would have audibled to the run if I had more time.

Oh,don't get me wrong. His arm is trash. It just wasn't AS trash as I expected. I don't think his arm is any physically worse than a Jared Goff or Kirk Cousins but mentally he plays scared with his target choices.

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8 hours ago, Mol3m4n said:

I think his talent was fine. It was the bone headed decisions for me. His unwillingness to push the ball is really it. 

He unwilling to push the ball because he knows that he does not have the arm strength to do it successfully.  Simple as. 

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