Christensen’s grade per the Panthers

[kungfoodude]

28 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Dude those exact sites say the exact opposite.  I used them to support my position:

 

 

Probably because you are cherry picking. They all list the red flags.

Walterfootball

"In the passing-driven NFL, teams are always looking for potential elite left tackles. It can be very difficult to find left tackles with Little's natural size and athleticism, so those things make him an intriguing prospect for the next level, even with his inconsistent play.

There are a lot of natural strengths to Little. He has ideal height, length, weight, quickness and athleticism. Little displays quick feet that allow him to get depth in his drop and neutralize speed rushers. He should be an asset to take on the fast edge rushers because he can get off the corner and prevent them from running the loop around the edge. With his quick feet and an ability to bend at the knee, Little doesn't have to reach after rushers and is not a waist bender. For the NFL, Little could be a very valuable to protect his quarterback against fast edge rushers.

As a run blocker, Little is quick to the second level and is able to swallow up linebackers or defensive backs with ease. Right now, he would be better off in a zone-blocking system to use his athleticism due to not packing a serious punch at the point of attack. Little is not a bull in the ground game to knock defenders off the ball, even though he has the potential to be that if he works at developing his skill set. He has the size for a power-man scheme, but his shortcomings make him a poor fit for that kind of scheme at this time.

Little is too much of a finesse blocker. He has to get more nasty and show something of a mean streak. Adding more strength would help him to do that. Little is poor at firing off the ball and engaging defensive ends. Too often, he is waiting to catch them rather than starting the contact and attacking defenders.

As a pass protector, Little definitely has to block with better leverage. He allows too many pressures to the inside, and that comes from his leverage issues, along with waiting on defenders rather than getting into their chests. Little had some bad beats on rushes to the inside in 2017 and 2018 that should not have happened given his athleticism. There were also plays during which Little would be bull rushed into the pocket - see versus Alabama in 2018. Little needs to improve his ability to anchor against powerful bull rushes.

In speaking to team sources, they aren't super excited about Little because he never played up to his potential consistently. They also said his combine interviews were just okay as he needs development of his football I.Q. They feel he has the capacity to learn, but he still has a lot to learn for the NFL. Everybody acknowledges his skill set, but being an underachiever leaves a sour taste for a lot of evaluators. As a result, multiple team sources have told me they had given Little a late first-round grade. A few sources are higher on him. Little has enough fans alongside a good skill set and upside that he looks likely to be a first-round pick. He probably will go in the back half of the first round, and if he slips to the second round, he should be selected quickly. "

TheDraftNetwork

"Crabbs

Greg Little projects as a boom or bust prospect at the NFL level. Little shows flashes of natural athleticism, particularly for his size. Furthermore, Little's deep pass sets are effective with his length and foot quickness. But Little is super raw in his framing of blocks and footwork, he takes false steps and fails to roll through contact to create forward push with consistency in the run game. Little's effort is also of concern, he will need to be coached/motivated if he's going to be a starter.

Marino

 

A five-star recruit, Little started early in his career at Ole Miss and it culminated with All-SEC First Team honors in 2018. While Little was an effective college blocker, there are some notable deficiencies in terms of balance and technique that Little must overcome to find success in the NFL. With that said, his blend of size, length and functional mobility serve as a strong foundation for him to develop. I don’t see an early starter in Little, but he has some upside to develop if he can improve.

Round Grade - Mid Day Three

Ledyard

Greg Little’s Ole Miss career can best be summed up by one phrase: it didn’t always (or even often) look pretty, but he got the job done. Despite footwork concerns, significant issues with strike timing/placement and below average functional strength, Little used athleticism, size and length to allow a limited number of sacks and quarterback hits on tape. 

The problem is that Little’s process is so clearly flawed on tape that it is hard to imagine him having the same level of success in the NFL, where the opposing talent is far superior to even what he faced in the SEC. He’s also a get-in-the-way run blocker who shows little physical dominance on tape, an issue that can’t even be traced back to his effort, as Little plays plenty hard. The junior has impressive physical and athletic tools, but that will mean little if his technique does not improve significantly at his next stop. The NFL will take some solace in the fact that Ole Miss didn’t really develop much of anyone in their offense, but Little should still be seen as a decent project at the position and not someone who is ready to start without considerable help in year one.

Round Grade: Late 3rd"

NFL.com

"

Weaknesses

• Needs to work on core power and upper body development
• Lacks force and power in down block
• Too many inefficiencies in movements as run blocker
• Initial hand strike as run blocker lacks tempo and pace
• Waist bend with nose past toes at point of attack
• Leaves feet behind after contact
• Hand strength is very average
• Races to predetermined set points
• Impatient and chases rushers rather than waiting back
• Gets bounced back into pocket by early rush charge
• Below-average body control in recovery movements"

ProFootballNetwork

"

Weaknesses

Although Little is aggressive, sometimes he gets too aggressive. Little is a little grabby if he thinks he is getting beat or if he over pursues his defender. Multiple times he would have to have to try and stop his defender by holding him. He also had to make sure that he did not run past him. He also gets beat on the edge occasionally but if he improves his technique and/or gets quicker this issue will be a thing of the past.

His technique, as just stated is also not the best. When Little tries to run block at times he gets stood up by the defender causing him to lose his block. If an offensive lineman gets stood up by the defender, then the defender has all the control. Little’s biggest weakness is his inconsistency. At times, Little looks like a top tackle prospect in this years draft, at other times, he looks like a late day two or early day three pick.  "

https://walterfootball.com/ws2019glittle.php

"Under former head coach Hugh Freeze, the Ole Miss Rebels put together a lot of strong recruiting classes that produced a lot of early-round NFL talent. Among those players were Laremy Tunsil, Evan Engram, Laquon Treadwell, Robert Nkemdiche, Breeland Speaks and more. After Freeze was fired amid scandal, some of his talented recruits who interested NFL teams remained at Ole Miss. Greg Little was one of those players, and he looked like he could be a star as the replacement for Tunsil. Immediately in college football, Little showed he had a great combination of size, quickness and athleticism.

With the skill set of a franchise left tackle, Little broke into the starting lineup as a freshman and played really well while making the jump into college football's toughest conference. His sophomore and junior years were solid, but not dominant, and he remained the Rebels starter through three seasons before declaring for the 2019 NFL Draft. In the passing-driven NFL, left tackles with Little's skill set are hard to find, and that had Little being projected as a future first-round pick for a lot of his collegiate career.

In speaking to team sources, there was a combination of factors that led to Little sliding. One of those problems was concern over his consistency. Some teams felt that Little was not as consistent as he should have been in college. From the tape, some evaluators also felt they did not see enough nastiness out of Little, and that was also reflected in his pre-draft interviews, where he came across as a nice kid but not a fighter and bully as a football player. Sources at other teams said Little has everything you look for as a player, but those issues of personality and consistency suppressed their enthusiasm."

 

Like I said, plenty of the exact same weaknesses being listed over and over and mentions of why teams were generally down on him. Keep in mind this was a guy that was considered a top 5 draft prospect the year prior to leaving for the draft. 

Little isn't drastically different than most prospects with warts in that you have to see past those to see the potential. The BIG difference was that the warts just seemed to unbelievably clear for Little and he hasn't shown ANYTHING in the NFL to disprove those concerns. 

Furthermore, we are now two coaching staffs into attempting to develop him and it hasn't happened. Frankly, the fact that he was pushed so far down the depth chart last year should really tell the whole story. 

 

I am not sure why you want to argue this so much precisely BECAUSE we actually do have hindsight here. All those obvious red flags which led to him being passed over(in a weak LT draft, mind you) have essentially come to fruition in Carolina. 

 

 

[kungfoodude]

41 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

lol reading is fundamental. Now prepare for the rebuttal explaining how you are still wrong.

Thanks for the rent free space in your head.

[kungfoodude]

@SBBlue This is not a negative thing for them to be cutting bait on Little after he is clearly a bust. Remember how reticent we were to admit those mistakes and cut bait prior to this new coaching staff. 

Can you imagine how quickly they would have pulled the rip cord on the Matt Kalil signing??? I for one am actually glad this staff is ready to move on from players that just don't have what it takes to be an NFL player. 

[SBBlue]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

-Greg Little, Mississippi: Looked like a pure RT running the 40 where he posted very pedestrian time of 5.33 with a slow 10-yard split of 1.84. Didn’t show much explosion in the vertical, but his short shuttle was okay.

OL 2019 Combne notes

This one says his disappointment in the  combine makes him a RT, not "DONT draft him in the second.   I can't find a grade at all.  It lists BOTH positives and negatives.  Sewel has already been moved to RT...does he suck?

 

Quote

Another disappointing assesment

Losers

These guys struggled on Friday, while also happening to all have significant concerns on their tape as well.

 

Once again, no draft grade in your quote , which is the whole point of the discussion.  From the same site:

Surprisingly nimble on his deeper pass sets, showing desirable foot speed and cadence to drive off of the LOS and frame his blocks effectively. Covers a notable amount of ground to sustain outside integrity, shows trust in flipping hips late to run defenders past the QB.

Length/Extension -Length is evident and shows good extension, particularly when tested with speed around the edge.

More of a positional blocker that does well to establish body positioning and seal lanes. Can turn opponents out of gaps and create modest space....

Has good mobility with his feet and has enough spring to keep up around the edge track. ....

Quote

Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss

Owner of the second-worst 40 and the third-worst vertical jump, Little didn't impress in most of the drills he did do at the Combine, but it may have been the on-field workout where he looked the most concerning. He moves well on tape, but his movements are unorthodox and his footwork can look different on a rep-to-rep basis. I like Little as a developmental prospect that needs significant technical improvements, however understanding what he is right now as a player will be important for teams.

This is cherry picked from the same site above.  

Looking further in site they have multiple opinions but...

It does include 3rd round projection..so that at least support's your point.

So lets say this site was definitive and it was Greg Little 3rd rounder,  has he even shown more than UDFA Scott?  

And that's my point.  These sites disagree, fan-sites disagree, because

we can not predict the future with certainty.

Not just us, most teams have had UDFA as starters and high round busts.  Christiansen probably wont be Gross, but he won't be Little either.

Draft profile, draft grade, draft position is not definitive.    

 

 

 

 

[iamhubby1]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Thanks for the rent free space in your head.

 

Yes, because we all know. Everything is about you.

[iamhubby1]

3 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Draft profile, draft grade, draft position is not definitive.    

 

 

 

 

 

You forgot armchair GMs, and those Draftniks folks.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

This one says his disappointment in the  combine makes him a RT, not "DONT draft him in the second.   I can't find a grade at all.  It lists BOTH positives and negatives.  Sewel has already been moved to RT...does he suck?

 

Once again, no draft grade in your quote , which is the whole point of the discussion.  From the same site:

Surprisingly nimble on his deeper pass sets, showing desirable foot speed and cadence to drive off of the LOS and frame his blocks effectively. Covers a notable amount of ground to sustain outside integrity, shows trust in flipping hips late to run defenders past the QB.

Length/Extension -Length is evident and shows good extension, particularly when tested with speed around the edge.

More of a positional blocker that does well to establish body positioning and seal lanes. Can turn opponents out of gaps and create modest space....

Has good mobility with his feet and has enough spring to keep up around the edge track. ....

This is cherry picked from the same site above.  

Looking further in site they have multiple opinions but...

It does include 3rd round projection..so that at least support's your point.

So lets say this site was definitive and it was Greg Little 3rd rounder,  has he even shown more than UDFA Scott?  

And that's my point.  These sites disagree, fan-sites disagree, because

we can not predict the future with certainty.

Not just us, most teams have had UDFA as starters and high round busts.  Christiansen probably wont be Gross, but he won't be Little either.

Draft profile, draft grade, draft position is not definitive.    

You seem to be just randomly shifting your position to suit your support of Little. What are you actually trying to accomplish? Little was a pretty polarizing prospect with a pretty wide variety of grades because he had so many flaws as a prospect. 

That's pretty much the point we are making. He was not some home run prospect that was a head scratching bust. He was acknowledged to be a guy that needed a lot of development and had a lot of downsides. He just simply didn't develop. 

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Yes, because we all know. Everything is about you.

I mean, clearly to you it is since you are stalking me from one thread to the next seething with anger. 

Not that I am complaining. It's free entertainment for me. 

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, clearly to you it is since you are stalking me from one thread to the next seething with anger. 

Not that I am complaining. It's free entertainment for me. 

 

You quoted me on a post I made to @SBBlue. lol Or can't you remember that far back?

 

Take a step back. Put your critical thinking cap on. Take the emotion out of it. Then get back to me. Mkay?

 

James Bond on one tv. Clippers beat the Mavs on another. And this, whatever it is, with you. What a day.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

You quoted me on a post I made to @SBBlue. lol Or can't you remember that far back?

 

Take a step back. Put your critical thinking cap on. Take the emotion out of it. Then get back to me. Mkay?

 

James Bond on one tv. Clippers beat the Mavs on another. And this, whatever it is, with you. What a day.

Probably hard to concentrate with all that angsty teenager emotion welling up in you, eh? 

[iamhubby1]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Probably hard to concentrate with all that angsty teenager emotion welling up in you, eh? 

 

You are repeating yourself. Maybe go back and reread what you post. That way we can avoid these ugly mistakes. lol

[45catfan]

24 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

This one says his disappointment in the  combine makes him a RT, not "DONT draft him in the second.   I can't find a grade at all.  It lists BOTH positives and negatives.  Sewel has already been moved to RT...does he suck?

 

Once again, no draft grade in your quote , which is the whole point of the discussion.  From the same site:

Surprisingly nimble on his deeper pass sets, showing desirable foot speed and cadence to drive off of the LOS and frame his blocks effectively. Covers a notable amount of ground to sustain outside integrity, shows trust in flipping hips late to run defenders past the QB.

Length/Extension -Length is evident and shows good extension, particularly when tested with speed around the edge.

More of a positional blocker that does well to establish body positioning and seal lanes. Can turn opponents out of gaps and create modest space....

Has good mobility with his feet and has enough spring to keep up around the edge track. ....

This is cherry picked from the same site above.  

Looking further in site they have multiple opinions but...

It does include 3rd round projection..so that at least support's your point.

So lets say this site was definitive and it was Greg Little 3rd rounder,  has he even shown more than UDFA Scott?  

And that's my point.  These sites disagree, fan-sites disagree, because

we can not predict the future with certainty.

Not just us, most teams have had UDFA as starters and high round busts.  Christiansen probably wont be Gross, but he won't be Little either.

Draft profile, draft grade, draft position is not definitive.    

 

 

 

 

Clearly you weren't around during the 2019 draft or the months leading up to it.  Greg Little leading into his junior year was a consensus first round prospect.  After that season, his question marks started to show up.  Then the college all-star game and combine happened as he slid to a late first round prospect.  As the draft grew closer, the general mood on him seemed to sour further to falling out of the first round altogether.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a guy whose stock falls steadily leading up to the draft is a risky prospect and the reason the draft-niks on this board were less than thrilled when Marty MOVED UP to take a prospect that I'm 99% sure would have been there several picks later at our original draft spot.  It's one thing to draft a bust, but it's insult to injury to trade up for one.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Clearly you weren't around during the 2019 draft or the months leading up to it.  Greg Little leading into his junior year was a consensus first round prospect.  After that season, his question marks started to show up.  Then the college all-star game and combine happened as he slid to a late first round prospect.  As the draft grew closer, the general mood on him seemed to sour further to falling out of the first round altogether.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a guy whose stock falls steadily leading up to the draft is a risky prospect and the reason the draft-niks on this board were less than thrilled when Marty MOVED UP to take a prospect that I'm 99% sure would have been there several picks later at our original draft spot.  It's one thing to draft a bust, but it's insult to injury to trade up for one.

Yeah, I am not sure how people can forget that fiasco. It was a hot topic here that entire offseason. 

Remember how badly his stock tanked after the combine too? It was rough.

[45catfan]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I am not sure how people can forget that fiasco. It was a hot topic here that entire offseason. 

Remember how badly his stock tanked after the combine too? It was rough.

I was here for that.  Question...do you know why the archives here are absent from 2017-2019?  I was going to prove a point to this dude (even though I shouldn't have to) but when I searched "draft" it goes back to the start of 2020 and then skips all the way back to 2016.  Very odd. 

Edited June 6, 2021 by 45catfan