How much of the Jets performance was really on Darnold?

[ForJimmy]

14 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Brett began his career with 3 straight winning seasons as a starting QB...there is nothing "bad" about that. 

Is Sam injury prone?

Must of had a great team because his stats and rating was on par with Sam on year 3. The Golden Calf of Bristol took his team to the playoffs as a starting QB and won on the road on the playoffs. Must be good. Teddy was 5-0 as a Saints starter. Must be good. Taysum Hill has a winning record as a starting QB, so why are they not starting him? Is Sean Payton not smart enough to realize a winning record is what makes a QB good? See wins are the sign of a good TEAM. Troy Aiken also had a losing record after year 3. Started off 1-15, that’s Clausen bad! 19-29 after year 3. Sound have cut his ass right?

[SizzleBuzz]

25 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Must of had a great team because his stats and rating was on par with Sam on year 3. The Golden Calf of Bristol took his team to the playoffs as a starting QB and won on the road on the playoffs. Must be good. Teddy was 5-0 as a Saints starter. Must be good. Taysum Hill has a winning record as a starting QB, so why are they not starting him? Is Sean Payton not smart enough to realize a winning record is what makes a QB good? See wins are the sign of a good TEAM. Troy Aiken also had a losing record after year 3. Started off 1-15, that’s Clausen bad! 19-29 after year 3. Sound have cut his ass right?

OK so the next Brett Favre is now in the fold...

...you heard it here first folks!

{big toke from the bong of hope}

 

[ForJimmy]

8 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

OK so the next Brett Favre is now in the fold...

...you heard it here first folks!

{big toke from the bong of hope}

 

Ahhh so you have no response. Perfect. You wanted some examples I gave you some. Can’t help it if it didn’t line up with your trolling. 
Ask for data. Receive data. Try to change data. Then give up and mock the other person. Well done! Nice debate. Go study the Appaloosa Model some more, it’s the only thing you know because no one else cares enough about it to fact check you on it.

Edited May 31, 2021 by ForJimmy

[SizzleBuzz]

9 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Ahhh so you have no response. Perfect. You wanted some examples I gave you some. Can’t help it if it didn’t line up with your trolling. 
Ask for data. Receive data. Try to change data. Then give up and mock the other person. Well done! Nice debate. Go study the Appaloosa Model some more, it’s the only thing you know because no one else cares enough about it to fact check you on it.

Oh I responded...you must have missed it.  

"...has there ever been a QB drafted top-3 who only failed with his initial team...was given up on and traded for a paltry round 2 pick...

...and then went on to have agreat career at his very next stop?"

Favre ain't it. 

[SBBlue]

24 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Oh I responded...you must have missed it.  

"...has there ever been a QB drafted top-3 who only failed with his initial team...was given up on and traded for a paltry round 2 pick...

...and then went on to have agreat career at his very next stop?"

 

Favre ain't it. 

 

Why is the "given up on" so crucial for the comparison?   

Why does a turn around example you are looking for require jets level of stupidity?  Why must the many examples of 3 yr suckage with a turn around be followed by cut ties?

Because the jets are masters of evaluating talent and so Darnold must suck because the jets said so?    

[ForJimmy]

2 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Oh I responded...you must have missed it.  

"...has there ever been a QB drafted top-3 who only failed with his initial team...was given up on and traded for a paltry round 2 pick...

...and then went on to have agreat career at his very next stop?"

 

Favre ain't it. 

He looked just as bad his first 3 years as several QBs including the great Brett Favre. The Jets franchise trading him has no relevance other than adding one more asterisk so you can exclude him from this list. Had we found someone else you would just add another like “in the last 10 years” or “for a future 2nd.” So plenty of QBs have been where he is at and turned it around. Take your trolling someone else. Honestly I’m not even saying he will turn it around, I’m just annoyed at posters who come on here just to talk down about this team. At least some of the others are actually good at it though and have actual data to back it up. You just tried and failed pretty bad....

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, SBBlue said:

 

Why is the "given up on" so crucial for the comparison?   

Why does a turn around example you are looking for require jets level of stupidity?  Why must the many examples of 3 yr suckage with a turn around be followed by cut ties?

Because the jets are masters of evaluating talent and so Darnold must suck because the jets said so?    

Because it’s the extra bit of info needed to try to prove his point no matter how irrelevant it is. They also need to have been drafted on an even year during a leap year. See it’s never happened before therefore it can never happen!

[SizzleBuzz]

5 hours ago, SBBlue said:

 

Why is the "given up on" so crucial for the comparison?   

Why does a turn around example you are looking for require jets level of stupidity?  Why must the many examples of 3 yr suckage with a turn around be followed by cut ties?

Because the jets are masters of evaluating talent and so Darnold must suck because the jets said so?    

What is the Darnold bull-case predicated on?

[SBBlue]

3 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

What is the Darnold bull-case predicated on?

Answer my question first.

[SizzleBuzz]

25 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Answer my question first.

What was your question?

[SBBlue]

1 minute ago, SizzleBuzz said:

What was your question?

Dude you just quoted it.

Why is the "given up on" so crucial for the comparison?   

[rayzor]

25 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Dude you just quoted it.

Why is the "given up on" so crucial for the comparison?   

It's because it fits his narrative. 

 

[SBBlue]

On 5/26/2021 at 4:15 PM, glenwo2 said:

Also, the fact that he managed to finish out his last 2 seasons with More TDs than INTs still, is a testament to his talent.

In fact, in his "best" season as a Jet, he had 2 games where he threw a bunch of INTs.   Take away those two games and he'd have been 17 TDs and 6 (yes...SIX!) INTs.   

In the ghost game, the pats ran cover 0 blitz over and over and the jets couldn't handle it....five interceptions.

The Patriots made Sam Darnold and Patrick Mahomes see ghosts with the exact same blitz - YouTube

 

In 2020, on 68.9% of his dropbacks, he wasn’t even blitzed. That means defenses were getting to him without sending extra defenders leaving LB's back for coverage.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2021 by SBBlue

[1usctrojan]

All 11 pages of speculation should be answered by mid season.