Sam Darnold's "Style of Ball"

[CarolinaLivin]

Sam Darnold just wasn't one of those shine in the dark QB's. Plain and Simple.

Deshaun Watson (no im not here to argue the case for trading for him again) may have not have had the exact situation as Sam, but you can definitely say he shined in the dark. Some QB's make things happen with what they have. That is the elite talent that is rare.

We have to realize that Sam isn't that. He needs a team around around him to win. He needs Elite talent around him. 

This isn't to bash Sam. Regardless of if you have the shine in the dark QB or not... you still have to build a team around the QB to win a super bowl. 

With that being said, I like the Sam pickup as it may or may not have allowed us to get a QB and work on building the roster. Rhules main point on missing on fields was that we essentially got two players for one at 8 Sam and Jaycee. Two birds with one stone. Potential QB and roster building player. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's saying the same thing I am, he's just being more careful with y'all's dainty little feelings while doing it.

Wow

Dude, you have lost it. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Wow

Dude, you have lost it. 

If you weren't so all up in your feels your reading comprehension might be better.

Nowhere have I said that Darnold will definitively flop here. Everywhere I have said that's the most likely scenario. Your response has basically been that while we don't KNOW how Sam Darnold will turn out here you sure do want to argue round and round with anyone and everyone suggesting that it's likely it won't be well based on a lot of historically similar situations. You think you don't take stances on here, but you clearly do based on the opinions you argue mightily against.

[Moo Daeng]

Cold wet blanket reporting for duty! LOL

Edited May 27, 2021 by Moo Daeng

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you weren't so all up in your feels your reading comprehension might be better.

Nowhere have I said that Darnold will definitively flop here. Everywhere I have said that's the most likely scenario. Your response has basically been that while we don't KNOW how Sam Darnold will turn out here you sure do want to argue round and round with anyone and everyone suggesting that it's likely it won't be well based on a lot of historically similar situations. You think you don't take stances on here, but you clearly do based on the opinions you argue mightily against.

You talking about other people being "in their feels" with the way you've been posting on here is pretty funny.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You talking about other people being "in their feels" with the way you've been posting on here is pretty funny.

It just gets old watching some of y'all act like the guy going broke buying scratch off tickets at the corner store. He can't pay rent this month but it doesn't matter. He's gonna hit it big this time and everyone who thinks otherwise based on historical data is an idiot.

The only thing that bothers me here is you constantly trying to paint me into a corner and put words in my mouth while acting like this sage neutral observer yet clearly arguing from a position of strong opinion.

[Sgt Schultz]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's saying the same thing I am, he's just being more careful with y'all's dainty little feelings while doing it.

I am less convinced than you seem to be that he is going to be bad here. 

Part of that is his age and raw talent, part of that is our HC's history of pulling people up beyond what they may have thought possible. Part of it is that he has had next to no development in stop one (and the hope he has not been ruined by it).

I am not convinced they are all in on him, either.  What I think I see in these tea leaves is they wanted 2-3 years out of Teddy with some mild hope he might be the guy.  They wanted time to address the position.  That lasted one.  So they went after a guy who can give them the other two (if they want it), seems to address the hole in Teddy's resume, and will determine after this year or next whether they need to find a longer-term answer.

For all we know, the move to Darnold may have been more spurred by Watson's situation than anything else.  He might be nothing more than buying time to see how that shakes out, with the same caveat they had when they signed Teddy....who knows, he might be the guy?

That and my biggest question is not who is the QB, it is still whether our OL can keep whoever is QB from getting killed back there.  We certainly have more weapons for a young QB than the Jets do, but if our OL play does not improve they are just as likely to be eating our turf as they were MetLife turf.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It just gets old watching some of y'all act like the guy going broke buying scratch off tickets at the corner store. He can't pay rent this month but it doesn't matter. He's gonna hit it big this time and everyone who thinks otherwise based on historical data is an idiot.

The only thing that bothers me here is you constantly trying to paint me into a corner and put words in my mouth while acting like this sage neutral observer yet clearly arguing from a position of strong opinion.

I don't need to put words in your mouth, dude. You're doing well enough on your own.

You don't think Darnold is going to succeed. I get it. At this point I'm pretty sure everybody gets it. Fine. It's your opinion.

What's sad is that you not only feel the need to insult people who think he will succeed, but also those who just say "maybe".

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I am less convinced than you seem to be that he is going to be bad here. 

Part of that is his age and raw talent, part of that is our HC's history of pulling people up beyond what they may have thought possible. Part of it is that he has had next to no development in stop one (and the hope he has not been ruined by it).

I am not convinced they are all in on him, either.  What I think I see in these tea leaves is they wanted 2-3 years out of Teddy with some mild hope he might be the guy.  They wanted time to address the position.  That lasted one.  So they went after a guy who can give them the other two (if they want it), seems to address the hole in Teddy's resume, and will determine after this year or next whether they need to find a longer-term answer.

For all we know, the move to Darnold may have been more spurred by Watson's situation than anything else.  He might be nothing more than buying time to see how that shakes out, with the same caveat they had when they signed Teddy....who knows, he might be the guy?

That and my biggest question is not who is the QB, it is still whether our OL can keep whoever is QB from getting killed back there.  We certainly have more weapons for a young QB than the Jets do, but if our OL play does not improve they are just as likely to be eating our turf as they were MetLife turf.

Agree with a lot of that but I really think the Watson ship has sailed.

If Darnold isn't the guy, I expect our next quarterback to come from the draft.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't need to put words in your mouth, dude. You're doing well enough on your own.

You don't think Darnold is going to succeed. I get it. At this point I'm pretty sure everybody gets it. Fine. It's your opinion.

What's sad is that you not only feel the need to insult people who think he will succeed, but also those who just say "maybe".

I have not insulted those who say maybe. Hell, I'm one of those guys. Granted, my "maybe" is very slim. The only people I've insulted are those who clearly have an opinion, they're just too scared to voice it.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I am less convinced than you seem to be that he is going to be bad here. 

Part of that is his age and raw talent, part of that is our HC's history of pulling people up beyond what they may have thought possible. Part of it is that he has had next to no development in stop one (and the hope he has not been ruined by it).

I am not convinced they are all in on him, either.  What I think I see in these tea leaves is they wanted 2-3 years out of Teddy with some mild hope he might be the guy.  They wanted time to address the position.  That lasted one.  So they went after a guy who can give them the other two (if they want it), seems to address the hole in Teddy's resume, and will determine after this year or next whether they need to find a longer-term answer.

For all we know, the move to Darnold may have been more spurred by Watson's situation than anything else.  He might be nothing more than buying time to see how that shakes out, with the same caveat they had when they signed Teddy....who knows, he might be the guy?

That and my biggest question is not who is the QB, it is still whether our OL can keep whoever is QB from getting killed back there.  We certainly have more weapons for a young QB than the Jets do, but if our OL play does not improve they are just as likely to be eating our turf as they were MetLife turf.

I'm good with all of that.

[SBBlue]

41 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

History is largely fact based, predictions of the future are almost entirely opinion. It's a fact that Darnold has been a bad starting QB through three seasons. A legit argument can be made that he's been the worst starting QB in the NFL over the last three seasons. Everything else about his potential play here is almost entirely opinion. Meanwhile, we have the pie in the sky holier than though homer crowd trying to claim fan superiority by engaging in mental gymanstics on how and why Darnold is going to be so much better here (even though Teddy wasn't) while their only response to the people who aren't exactly sold on that line of thinking boils down to

 

I'm not sure if you are referring to me with the "pie in the sky holier than though homer crowd trying to claim fan superiority by engaging in mental gymanstics."  I going to assume not.

 I didn't like letting Cam go.  I didn't like the Bridgewater trade.  I didn't like the Darnold trade.  I wanted Lance or Fields.

Hit rates on drafted Qbs and reclaim projects are both low.   Is a reclaim projects odds lower?  Maybe.  Its a small dataset and its situational and that is why I dug a little into the situation.

Sam Darnold has been running for his life trying to make miracles happen, in quite possibly the most mismanaged team in football as exemplified by their performance in nearly every aspect of the game.    Bottom of the league in punting, kick off, kick return, blocking and running.  They had trouble SNAPPING THE BALL.  

We all saw Mahommes fall to earth behind an injury riddled line.  

Darnold may bust.  Fields and Lance may bust.  

You're not a homer for questioning the Darnold move.  I'm not one for digging into the situation.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I have not insulted those who say maybe. Hell, I'm one of those guys. Granted, my "maybe" is very slim. The only people I've insulted are those who clearly have an opinion, they're just too scared to voice it.

You think I'd be scared to voice an opinion? 

Wow

I'm firmly in the "maybe" crowd. You can look back on my posts prior to the trade and you'll find I wasn't a huge fan of the idea, but said I'd accept it if we did it and hope for the best.

We did, and I have.

If he doesn't pan out, we'll be in a much better position team wise to spend the resources and trade up for a guy like Howell.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I have not insulted those who say maybe. Hell, I'm one of those guys. Granted, my "maybe" is very slim. The only people I've insulted are those who clearly have an opinion, they're just too scared to voice it.

You think I'd be scared to voice an opinion? 

Wow

I'm firmly in the "maybe" crowd. You can look back on my posts prior to the trade and you'll find I wasn't a huge fan of the idea, but said I'd accept it if we did it and hope for the best.

We did, and I have.

If he doesn't pan out, we'll be in a much better position team wise to spend the resources and trade up for a guy like Howell.