Sam Darnold's "Style of Ball"

[LinvilleGorge]

40 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

If that was true, then Ryan Tannehill would never have found success in Tennessee.

Do yourself a favor before making this comparison again - check Tannehill's numbers in Miami and do the same for Darnold in NY. 

[Mol3m4n]

2 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

To be fair to Teddy he never lost us games.... he just never won them either.. 

The two yard throw on 4th down would disagree. 

[pantherclaw]

55 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's not premature. He absolutely was a bust for the Jets. A former #3 overall pick getting traded for a future 2nd and a couple of late rounders after three bad seasons of play is a bust.

Alex Smith had some good play later in his career, but he was still a bust in SF.

So the Jets, whom have been going through head coaches like most people go through underwear.  Because the new HC wanted his own QB, and chose to move on, he was a bust. 

Got it. 

Pointless talking with you any further on this subject. 

[CanadianCat]

1 minute ago, Mol3m4n said:

The two yard throw on 4th down would disagree. 

Oof that was painful... 

[Sgt Schultz]

31 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am hoping the OL questions subside but the draft picks and FA signings don't give me a good feeling about our OL improving. So, Darnold may not be set up as well for success as is being assumed. The offensive weapons and Brady's scheme should serve to alleviate some of that if the OL is subpar again.

The big question is how Darnold is going to adapt his style to Brady's system. Hopefully we get Joe Burrow and not Jameis Winston

Our OL does not give me a good feeling, either.  If Christenson and hopefully Brown can move into the starting lineup (and not by attrition) by weeks 8-12, it would be a good move.  Otherwise, I hope they are better than last year, but that is not a high bar.  While some point at numbers that place us just below the middle of the league, every number I see about QB time to release or pocket time indicates our ranking is skewed by one of the quickest snap to throw or snap to collapse times in the league.

I'm not as convinced as the consensus around here that our OL was better than what Darnold had with the Jest.  They ranked lower...but also had longer times by which to give up sacks.

I'm hopeful about Darnold, but largely because he is 23.  The two risks are that he was not able to turn the NFL corner to begin with, or his time with the Jest beat his ability to do that out of him.  But, his attitude so far (including work ethic) should give him the chance to elevate himself, assuming he is capable and we don't get him killed.  He certainly was not a statue with the Jest, but if we have yet another situation where his brain associates dropping back with running for his life, well, that is not exactly conducive for improvement in the passing game or better decision making.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, pantherclaw said:

So the Jets, whom have been going through head coaches like most people go through underwear.  Because the new HC wanted his own QB, and chose to move on, he was a bust. 

Got it. 

Pointless talking with you any further on this subject. 

Yes, he's a bust. He played terribly. They moved on because he played terribly and they thought Zach Wilson was a better option for them moving forward. Baker Mayfield has had four head coaches in three seasons but the Browns didn't move past him because he hasn't played terribly and they didn't view someone else as a better option.

Sorry man, as much as you don't like it, barely over 8000 yards and 45 TDs vs. 39 INTs is a bust. We're just hoping he can bounce back from being a bust, but arguing that he wasn't a bust is just blind homerism. If a division rival had made this trade and hitched their wagon to Sam Darnold we'd be laughing our asses off.

[CarolinaLivin]

5 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

So the Jets, whom have been going through head coaches like most people go through underwear.  Because the new HC wanted his own QB, and chose to move on, he was a bust. 

Got it. 

Pointless talking with you any further on this subject. 

The Jets new front office waited, evaluated Sam and the Top QB prospects in the draft, then made their decision. 

What came of their evaluation of football talent was the #2 selection of Zach Wilson. 

Now was that decision a mistake, time will tell. But I can tell you that they are and were very confident in making that decision for a reason. 

[rayzor]

Read it...and came to the following conclusions.

1) he's a hack writer (sounds more like someone trying to impress on a message board than a professional writer)

2) he doesn't like mobile QBs

3) he's a  bitter TB fan

4) he's talking out of his ass

 

 

[glenwo2]

Why do I get the feeling that BigTruth wants Sam to fail so he can beat his chest while saying "I told you so"? 

[OldhamA]

9 minutes ago, BigTruth said:

You judge a player as being a bust if the team wouldn't draft them in the same spot again.

By that metric only a handful of players in the league aren't busts. 

[glenwo2]

If Cam even makes it to the 2nd half of this season without being replaced by Mac Jones, THAT would be an accomplishment.   lol.

This talk of him being the MVP on the Pats is so amusing.

Edited May 26, 2021 by glenwo2

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, BigTruth said:

You judge a player as being a bust if the team wouldn't draft them in the same spot again.  It is  safe  to say the Jets would have selected Allan or Jackson at  3 instead of  Darnold.

By this metric, CMC is a bust. It's a terrible metric.

[Sgt Schultz]

5 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

Why do I get the feeling that BigTruth wants Sam to fail so he can beat his chest while saying "I told you so"? 

It'll never happen.  I doubt he'll be around that long.

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

By this metric, CMC is a bust. It's a terrible metric.

Baker would be a bust as well.