2019 Draft, an "all time dud"?

[Smittymoose]

6 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Revisionist history is fraught with peril.  Don't go there.  Treacherous waters.

Making arguments like that leads you to things like "McCaffrey over Mahomes has proven to be a huge mistake".  Basically, you can analyze nearly any draft pick by any club through the 20/20 hindsight we all have and say things like "We should have chosen _________ instead".

Six months from now, we may be looking at JC Horn, Terrace Marshall, Brady Christianson or Tommy Tremble and saying the same thing.  The only sure thing in the NFL draft is that there isn't a sure thing.

Sure, but in the particular context of this situation, Carolina needed an OL, traded up specifically to draft one, and at least one team thought it was to draft Ford, who was taken exactly one pick later. So I think it's pretty fair to compare drafting Little v. Ford.

[PootieNunu]

54 minutes ago, Mage said:

In what context?  All-time bad as in, every NFL team included?  Probably not.  We still came away with Brian Burns.  I'm sure there are drafts out there that came with 0 contributors.  

All-time bad in just Panthers history?  I mean, it's terrible, but I think these drafts were worse:

2016 (Gettleman): We had 5 picks and spent 3 of them on CBs.  Our 1st round pick was spent on a DT, which we did not need in the 1st.  Bradberry turned out to be solid, but this might be our worst draft.  At least 2019 has potentially given us good depth guys like Daley and Miller.  Gettleman didn't make any effort to accumulate more picks.

2015 (Gettleman): Another draft with only 5 picks.  Another draft where the 1st round pick was spent on a position we did not need (linebacker).  Spent a 2nd round pick on Devin Funchess, which again was considered terrible at the time and in hindsight.  Yes Shaq turned into a solid contributor and Williams had a solid season or two, but I'd take Brian Burns over both of them combined.  

Gettleman sucked so much it amazes me how people will still try and defend him lol 

2014 (Gettleman): 6 picks. Drafted Kelvin Benjamin in the 1st round, even though he clearly wasn't that good of a prospect.  We did end up with Trai Turner and Tre Boston, who was decent enough at safety, but once again I'll take Brian Burns over both of them.

Honestly the 2013 draft was bad too, but I won't list it because we ended up with Star and Short.  But only 5 picks again?  And 3 of the guys don't do anything here (Klein was a MLB and we had already drafted Kuechly... you can't make picks like that when you only have 5 of them)

Then of course the 2009-2011 drafts.  All easily worse IMO - I'm not gonna give Hurney credit for making the obvious pick at #1 in 2011.  

But this draft (2019) definitely sucked too.  Hurney and Gettleman both sucked.  I'm very optimistic about Fitterer after this past draft, if only for the simple fact he's not wasting 1st round picks on positions we either don't need or aren't important, and because he's trying to accumulate picks, not stick with a total of 5 throughout the draft.

He is doing the same thing for the Giants, tons of questionable draft choices under his belt. 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Ford would have been less bad. We should have stayed where we were taken McCoy, let him start at guard and move to C when Paradis was given the boot to save money. We would have also had pick 77 and gone S, G again or DE (we had Crosby in for private visits). It was an IOL and S rich draft and we took neither and wasted 3 day 2 picks.

I know that's a huge sore spot for you.

[IceUpSon2001]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Marty wasn't on board with the rebuild last year, for obvious reasons (saving his own ass).

Still got let go. I am sure he wanted to win, I guess he wanted us to win enough so we wouldn't get Trevor Lawrence? That's all they did. PJ Walker wins a game? Huh? If we had lost to Washington, I think we would have had the number 3 pick? trade it or get Trey Lance/Justin Fields or whatever. Last year was just a weird year. I would have rather lost 14 or 15 games than lose 11.  

[thunderraiden]

Honestly in hindsight, still would have traded all our picks to grab Burns.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

Still got let go. I am sure he wanted to win, I guess he wanted us to win enough so we wouldn't get Trevor Lawrence? That's all they did. PJ Walker wins a game? Huh? If we had lost to Washington, I think we would have had the number 3 pick? trade it or get Trey Lance/Justin Fields or whatever. Last year was just a weird year. I would have rather lost 14 or 15 games than lose 11.  

That's a bit of a hot button topic around here

[CRA]

43 minutes ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

Why didn't they just roll with Will last year? We would have won 1 maybe 2 games in my opinion and been in the Trevor sweepstakes. Or...you find out Grier is good. I am thinking he is not but, you drafted him, find out.

NFL is the Not For Long league.  Coaches don't want to tank and neither do players.  Matth Rhule, Joe Brady, etc are too new and young to have tanking be their introduction to the NFL. 

and if you tank for Trevor,  you aren't even guaranteed he will be there as he was.  He could of taken a nasty hit in college football and broken his neck.    Clemson has had 2 guys in recent years break there neck.  That's football. 

[IceUpSon2001]

I was thinking Hurney was "just bad" but after reading all this it's really got my anger fires burning. Hurney was a dumpster fire. Looking at previous drafts and how many misses he had, wow. Suckfest. Gettleman, while he had a plan was not far behind Hurney. I hope Fitterer is better. Seemed like some of the picks this year were Rhule's picks and not Scott's

[IceUpSon2001]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

and if you tank for Trevor,  you aren't even guaranteed he will be there as he was.  He could of taken a nasty hit in college football and broken his neck.    Clemson has had 2 guys in recent years break there neck.  That's football. 

I think you still do it, tank. Trevor or Zach Wilson, whatever QB that emerges would have been better than paying Teddy a ton of money and still stink. If Will Grier was drafted to be a QB, try it.  

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Trainwreck said:

We knew this already. We don’t need Person to write an article telling us this. 

Person is pretty accurate when it is common knowledge.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, IceUpSon2001 said:

I think you still do it, tank. Trevor or Zach Wilson, whatever QB that emerges would have been better than paying Teddy a ton of money and still stink. If Will Grier was drafted to be a QB, try it.  

If you're a guy in the last year of your contract and hoping against hope for an extension though, tanking is off the table.

[IceUpSon2001]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

If you're a guy in the last year of your contract and hoping against hope for an extension though, tanking is off the table.

 I know but, he did not have them in a position to win a lot of games with his roster moves.

[shaqattaq]

2 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

I'd say it was at least directionally correct.  2016 was philosophically flawed all the way through.

we got Bradberry and a bunch of trash.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, IceUpSon2001 said:

 I know but, he did not have them in a position to win a lot of games with his roster moves.

He thought he did.

In truth, that phrase probably sums up Marty's career pretty well.