Teddy Opens up About Carolina (CBS)

[Peppers90 NC]

46 minutes ago, Riv said:

4. They decided to try for the playoffs instead of tanking for the generational QB.  Ended up with a horrible season and draft position.

Really guy? You cant keep your players trying to tank. Look at Pederson, he lost his players and his job. Pathetic fan talk.

[Riv]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I said it at the time of the signing. We just paid a bunch of money for no appreciable upgrade over Kyle Allen.

I said it, too.  Teddy was the first of a lot of red flags.  I also think Tepper is a big part of the problem.

[TheRumGone]

50 minutes ago, Riv said:

1. They thought Teddy was good enough to invest a bunch of money and years into.

2. Like Teddy, he didn't go out and sign the best players available, they signed guys he and Joe knew from earlier in the careers.

3. They have VERY little NFL experience in the building.  From the owner on down.  Now a guy who's known as a great dude and NFL pro say out loud that they didn't practice like other teams.

4. They decided to try for the playoffs instead of tanking for the generational QB.  Ended up with a horrible season and draft position.

5. They traded down in the draft to get depth, which was an odd move for a roster devoid of talent. I don't want to hear it about the percieved potential of the drafted players or the draft grades, let's see them play first.  I'm just talking about the strategy employed, you can't not say it was a quantity over quality draft approach.

6. They oddly sent away our best offensive lineman just before the season started.

7. They got rid of all of our expereinced vets and completely bungled Cam.

 

Some of those criticisms are valid and some are not imo. I thought you were speaking more to in game stuff. He’s never looked like this level was too big for him. He took a team that was either extremely young or talent deficient and were competing in just about every single game. And a lot of that had to do with coaching and being aggressive at certain times. We went toe to toe with the chiefs. We had no business being in that game. That shows promise to me. We’ll see if we can take another step this season.

The strategy for drafting is something some teams do. I’m neither for or against it. Just have to see how it plays out. I’m glad they got rid of vets. We should’ve done a full rebuild last year. 

Edited May 12, 2021 by TheRumGone

[Riv]

5 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Really guy? You cant keep your players trying to tank. Look at Pederson, he lost his players and his job. Pathetic fan talk.

Oh... and you also believe that Fox was fired for tanking?

Pederson lost his job because he'd been failing for several years in a row as did John Fox.  What players would we have lost that were worth keeping?  

You're an idiot if you think Pederson was fired for tanking.

Edited May 12, 2021 by Riv

[OldhamA]

21 minutes ago, Riv said:

I may not be reading his contract correctly, but I think we had already paid out his gauranteed money before the trade...  Signing bonus was $15mil... GTD was $20,500,000, he made $4.7 in 2018 and he made well over $5mil in 2019.  If he had sucked in 2020 we could've cut him for nothing.

I heard that Rhule made an example out of Turner and that the trade was to save value because he was going to be cut.

So I was on the fence, but now you've confirmed to me that you're just full of bullshit.

[Kentucky Panther]

I can’t take anyone seriously saying our team this year will be worse than last year. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Riv said:

Oh... and you also believe that Fox was fired for tanking?

Pederson lost his job because he'd been failing for several years in a row as did John Fox.  What players would we have lost that were worth keeping?  

You're an idiot if you think Pederson was fired for tanking.

The guy who won the Super Bowl just three years ago has been "failing for several years"?

Yeah, sure.

Pederson was fired largely because Jeffrey Lurie is a similar kind of dumbsh-t to Jerry Richardson.

[top dawg]

30 minutes ago, Riv said:

Ok.  List your reasons why you think Rhule is a good coach.

I'm not listing anything, but I will say that most importantly we exceeded pre-season expectations. We were in games that we really didn't have any business being in late into the fourth quarter. Rhule coached up a young and inexperienced squad--that was really talent-challenged. Considering the context, what Rhule did was amazing, even if we fell flat the second half of the season (because we shouldn't have realistically had any visions of a postseason his first year as HC). That being said, now we can see light at the end of the tunnel with a more seasoned and talented staff.

You can slam the draft all you like. The proof will be in the pudding. Most analysts and NFL types at least like and appreciate the moves the FO made, if not outright loved them. I'm past trying to convince people to have a wait-and-see approach.

The team was inconsistently good, pre-Rhule, that had basically devolved into a gradual slow-moving train wreck. It was a mess: a bunch of old or beatup  players that had seen their best days, and a staff that believed in rhetorical competition, but deferred to mediocre vets in reality. The franchise was lifeless and a semblance of what a good franchise really looks like (much less an elite one).  The current FO has changed all that. Sure, it took them some time to get up to speed, and they're still developing and learning, but with the commitment to start fresh 100 percent, the rebuild is in earnest and the franchise looks to have great energy. 

Edited May 12, 2021 by top dawg

[Riv]

6 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Some of those criticisms are valid and some are not imo. I thought you were speaking more to in game stuff. He’s never looked like this level was too big for him. He took a team that was either extremely young or talent deficient and were competing in just about every single game. And a lot of that had to do with coaching and being aggressive at certain times. We went toe to toe with the chiefs. We had no business being in that game. That shows promise to me. We’ll see if we can take another step this season.

The strategy for drafting is something some teams do. I’m neither for or against it. Just have to see how it plays out. I’m glad they got rid of vets. We should’ve done a full rebuild last year. 

I agree with that somewhat... Offensively, we had some great pieces and the quality of those pieces kept us in a lot of games.  Bridgewater I'll even include there, because he's a guy who will keep you in games, but not win them.

Joe Brady looked like a guy who belonged for the most part.  That's not shocking because the offense was loaded.  Basically everything we did outside of the offense wasn't great.

[MechaZain]

I'm in awe of how impenetrable his nice guy rep is. The coaches believed in and supported Teddy through the doubts around his abilities and how did he repay them? Yucking it up with our division rivals' in a loss. Blaming their practice regimen when he can't make simple throw to win a game. I'm struggling to think of any moment he had here that was actually classy or professional, and yet people are calling him that because he started off this latest bridge burning attempt with  "I understand business is business"??

[Riv]

2 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

So I was on the fence, but now you've confirmed to me that you're just full of bullshit.

I heard that from someone inside the org.

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

As an organization, there's things you can do better as well," he said. "I'll just say this, for (offensive coordinator Joe) Brady's growth, that organization, they'll have to practice things in different ways. One of the things we didn't do much of when I was there, we didn't practice two-minute (situations), really. We didn't practice red zone ... (But) I'm appreciative of the opportunity and I just keep it moving."

 

I have a very hard time believing this

I believe it’s true 

this is a very inexperienced, college experienced staff 

however, he is quite capable of opening his mouth as well, you know, hey coach, we need to do more of this xxx, yyyy 

[Riv]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The guy who won the Super Bowl just three years ago has been "failing for several years"?

Yeah, sure.

Pederson was fired largely because Jeffrey Lurie is a similar kind of dumbsh-t to Jerry Richardson.

What does several mean for you?  3 in a row or is that not enough?  Pederson had tons of warning signs as they slowly turned to poo.  

I'd compare Lurie more to Tepper than Jerry.  Jerry was loyal to a fault.  Lurie and Tepper seem to be irrational.

[Jorgie]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What would've been the difference between Teddy and Kyle Allen? Hell, honestly Kyle Allen is better.

You’re talking about Kyle “the walking turnover” Allen?