Trey Wingo and Tony Pauline on Panthers draft class

[TheSpecialJuan]

 

[classics]

29 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Some good reason to be optimistic but like they side, on paper. Hopefully, we are building to 2022. Tampa is going to be hard to catch with their ridiculous continuity. I hope this is a growth, figure out the final weak spots and maybe challenge for a playoff spot like 2014 when we got our OL together and made a run.

Continuity is not always a good thing. Age WILL eventually get to Brady and everyone will be gunning for them this year. Needless to say they will still be good but I like our chances better after the FA signings and draft.

[rippadonn]

Yeah, not happy about Tampa. They've basically got (statistically)a beast in Kyle Trask watching learning and waiting behind Brady. 

[rayzor]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Continuity is not always good? What could that possibly mean?

hurney and rivera bragged about having 20 of 22 starters returning. that's continuity.

what was the problem? half of them shouldn't have been starting.

continuity can be good, but it can also be bad if what you are trying to continue is ineffective or mediocre.

[Carolina Cajun]

5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

hurney and rivera bragged about having 20 of 22 starters returning. that's continuity.

what was the problem? half of them shouldn't have been starting.

continuity can be good, but it can also be bad if what you are trying to continue is ineffective or mediocre.

also the question is if they can avoid the injury bug like they did last year

[Snake]

Guess Shi Smith isn't as much a sleeper as I thought. All he does is catch anything thrown at him and he had a terrible QB.

[OldhamA]

1 hour ago, rippadonn said:

Yeah, not happy about Tampa. They've basically got (statistically)a beast in Kyle Trask watching learning and waiting behind Brady. 

Unless they've got Trask scheduled for an arm transplant I'm not too worried.

[Panther'sBigD]

I'm glad we invested a late round pick to get the best collegiate long snapper. I get why everyone is joking about it, but it's just due to their outmoded thinking. We need to hit a homerun on JJ Jansen's replacement. We've been spoiled for over a decade, and long snapper isn't something you can just sign a guy off the street for if you want anywhere near the continuity/performance we've enjoyed.  

[rayzor]

47 minutes ago, stbugs said:

They won the SB, obviously Tampa has a good lineup. Continuity is a good thing. Let’s not try to act like we are talking about the least talented team returning 22 starters. Continuity would still be good there but the talent is poo. Continuity can allow a healthy OL to play better than they are.

and continuity can allow a bad OL to continue being bad.

Continuity can be a good thing. it can also be a bad thing. it depends on the context and what you are trying to continue. hurney and JR thrived on continuity....and that got us stuck.

Tampa is going to depend on their ability to continue doing next year what they did last year. they found a formula that works.

We rarely found something that worked...and when we did we either shot ourselves in the foot and dismantled everything (2014 vs 2015) or kept trying to do the the same thing over and over because it worked once upon a time even though it had ceased working (the whole fox era). typically our continuity resulted in a continuation of mediocrity. 

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, rippadonn said:

Yeah, not happy about Tampa. They've basically got (statistically)a beast in Kyle Trask watching learning and waiting behind Brady. 

how many QBs followed in Brady's shoes over the years and became a dominant force themselves?

[bigdavis]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

Some good reason to be optimistic but like they side, on paper. Hopefully, we are building to 2022. Tampa is going to be hard to catch with their ridiculous continuity. I hope this is a growth, figure out the final weak spots and maybe challenge for a playoff spot like 2014 when we got our OL together and made a run.

I can't agree with that "ridiculous continuity" statement.

It's a common idea that each SB champ will be the next year's favorite to repeat.  But as this list shows, it doesn't work out that way;

https://www.topendsports.com/events/super-bowl/winners-list.htm

No repeaters in the last 10 years! If anything, THAT's continuity -- the inability to repeat.  In fact, only 3 of those last 10 winners even GOT to the SB the next season.  Why?  Complacency, salaries, trades, parity through drafting?  Who knows; but it is a trend, not an outlier that SB winners don't repeat, regardless of "experts" forecasts.

I grant you that Tom Brady has won 4 of the last 10, but that's HIS continuity, not the team's.  Anyway, don't anoint them just yet.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

9 minutes ago, bigdavis said:

I can't agree with that "ridiculous continuity" statement.

It's a common idea that each SB champ will be the next year's favorite to repeat.  But as this list shows, it doesn't work out that way;

https://www.topendsports.com/events/super-bowl/winners-list.htm

No repeaters in the last 10 years! If anything, THAT's continuity -- the inability to repeat.  In fact, only 3 of those last 10 winners even GOT to the SB the next season.  Why?  Complacency, salaries, trades, parity through drafting?  Who knows; but it is a trend, not an outlier that SB winners don't repeat, regardless of "experts" forecasts.

I grant you that Tom Brady has won 4 of the last 10, but that's HIS continuity, not the team's.  Anyway, don't anoint them just yet.

Of course getting to the Super Bowl is extraordinarily difficult, getting back is even more so with every opponent looking to knock off the champs.

However, Tampa has taken the first important step in their goal of returning to the championship game:

... the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' main task during the off-season was to 'keep the band together,' which they accomplished in unprecedented fashion.

All 22 starting players who took the field against the Chiefs will be back in action in Florida next season. The likes of TE Rob Gronkowski, MLB Lavonte David, WR Antonio Brown and RB Leonard Fournette (and many more) all signed back on for another crack at the Super Bowl, with QB Tom Brady at the helm.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers-draft-picks-2021-who-buccaneers-pick-full-list-selections

[jayboogieman]

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

hurney and rivera bragged about having 20 of 22 starters returning. that's continuity.

what was the problem? half of them shouldn't have been starting.

continuity can be good, but it can also be bad if what you are trying to continue is ineffective or mediocre.

Don't forget the continuity of going with Shula after Ron's first OC left. That was supposed to have been better for Cam instead of bringing in someone from outside the team.

[classics]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Continuity is not always good? What could that possibly mean? 

It means exactly that; it isn't always a good thing. I didn't never I said not always - there is a difference. Yeah they were good last year and, no doubt, will be again but I seriously doubt they were so good no changes were needed. There was a book that came out years ago call 'if it aint broke break it". Basically it preached to always challenge the status quo if you want to get better. So again, I don't believe continuity is always good.