Albert Breer also has us taking Fields, believes Tepper is pushing for it.

[GoobyPls]

43 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What is Rhule supposed to say? Yeah, we know he sucked but we're really hoping he won't here. It's coach speak.

Rhule has become the king of coach speak when it comes to QB. First it was he was excited to play with Cam, then Will Grier being the most pro ready QB ever, followed by Teddy now Sam.

 

All I know is that Darnold was plan F after not signing Trubisky or Haskins or being able to trade for Stanford or Watson.

[Shocker]

If the bar being set is Jake Delhomme the bar is too low.  I want better than Jake Delhomme.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

We didn't draft Sam to be our franchise QB.  You don't attempt to build your team around a one year rental( with upside). 

Sam simply by signing with us in a drastically better scenario for success than he has ever seen.   He gets a one year audition. 

So you're firmly predicting that not only are they going to draft another quarterback, but they're also not going to pick up his fifth year option?

Again, do you have any source other than your own opinion on this?

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That'd be a tremendous improvement. One of the things that made Jake special was his clutch ability. He was basically just an average starting QB for the most part, but the bigger the moments the better he usually was.

Jake was weird.  One of my favorite players of all time here.  But I initially hated him.   But when you had 89....a QB that took risks was the perfect pairing.   Took awhile for me to get that. 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just don't see that trade as much of an investment. Certainly not enough to forego adding a better option at QB if the opportunity presents itself. I honestly think that trade was made simply so that our hand wouldn't be forced. I don't think making the trade will force our hand the opposite way.

It has nothing to do with what we traded.

If they really believe Darnold has that potential, they should build around him.

If they genuinely don't, then whatever.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Do you have any actual evidence that the front office has such a low opinion of Darnold (other than that it's your opinion which doesn't mean anything)?

Again, public statements made during draft season don't necessarily mean squat. And Verge, who actually does have some level of inside insight, doesn't believe we'll take a quarterback at 8.

You're asking for proof but where's yours? As mentioned before, what we gave up in trade is peanuts for the QB position. Honestly, Darnold's trade value is better evidence AGAINST that. We wouldn't have been negotiating for weeks over a relative pittance if we REALLY wanted him.

Verge has also said that if Darnold was black he wouldn't even be in the league right now.

[ImaginaryKev]

Oh man get here already, NFL Draft, please, I'm begging you

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You're asking for proof but where's yours? As mentioned before, what we gave up in trade is peanuts for the QB position. Honestly, Darnold's trade value is better evidence AGAINST that. We wouldn't have been negotiating for weeks over a relative pittance if we REALLY wanted him.

Verge has also said that if Darnold was black he wouldn't even be in the league right now.

Am I making predictions or am I talking about what I think we should do?

Think about that for a minute.

Guys here are making a lot of bold statements as if they know what the front office is thinking.

They don't.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[run-run-pass-punt]

I can't fault the concept of turning over all stones in the quest for a franchise QB. (Personally I don't want Fields.)

But if we truly believe Darnold has the potential of being that piece, I think we're better served building around him and taking a developmental QB later.

If we pick Fields though, I'll, of course, hope he's the truth.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

It has nothing to do with what we traded.

If they really believe Darnold has that potential, they should build around him.

If they genuinely don't, then whatever.

They don't really believe in him. They negotiated for weeks over a paltry trade sum. If we really wanted him we wouldn't have risked losing him to someone else. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They don't really believe in him. They negotiated for weeks over a paltry trade sum. If we really wanted him we wouldn't have risked losing him to someone else. 

And again here, you have no source on that other than your own opinion.

You don't really know what the Panthers think of him. None of us do.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Am I making predictions or am I talking about what I think we should do?

Think about that for a minute.

I have no idea what you're trying to do. I just know that you're really hung up on a sunk cost to the point that you're admittedly fully willing to pass up on a franchise QB prospect at #8 simply simply because of a relatively small value trade made to acquire a former high pick bust of a QB.

[mrcompletely11]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

maybe we have a Pro Bowl LT already on the roster.   We don't KNOW that we don't.   I mean all those guys are here for a reason.  Coaches got to believe in them too or they wouldn't be here. 

 

 

I KNOW we dont.  The coaches know we dont.  Anyone with a goddamn brain KNOWS we dont. 

[jayboogieman]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What I do believe is that since we traded for Darnold, we need to do the best possible job of supporting him and building a team around him.

Otherwise, we're no better than the Jets.

This is how I feel about it.

7 minutes ago, Tbe said:

 

 

Darnold is plan D. We got him because we had no other choice.

Drafting a QB was plan B after Deshaun.

If a QB they like falls to us, we’ll take him.

Passing on a good rookie QB with potential just because you traded a few picks for some backup option is dumb. Sunk cost fallacy.

If you think Watson was a realistic plan A you are living in a fantasy world. You can't trade for someone that wasn't being offered for trade. Thanks to the legal mess, it doesn't appear as if we'll know how things would have turned out between the Texans and Watson.

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

We didn't draft Sam to be our franchise QB.  You don't attempt to build your team around a one year rental( with upside). 

Sam simply by signing with us in a drastically better scenario for success than he has ever seen.   He gets a one year audition. 

If/When they pick up Darnold's option, he won't be a one year rental.

3 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Rhule has become the king of coach speak when it comes to QB. First it was he was excited to play with Cam, then Will Grier being the most pro ready QB ever, followed by Teddy now Sam.

 

All I know is that Darnold was plan F after not signing Trubisky or Haskins or being able to trade for Stanford or Watson.

Completely forgot about them being interested in Haskins. Maybe we shouldn't trust them to pick a QB at all.