Albert Breer also has us taking Fields, believes Tepper is pushing for it.

[jayboogieman]

9 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

I can't take the all in on Sam bottom of the NFL Darnold crowd serious. 

It would be one thing if he were a proven veteran, but he's not. 

He's been worse than Cam and Teddy who we've both brought in QBs for. 

I'm not all in on Sam, but think he should get a chance to show what he can do with what should be better coaching and surrounding talent.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Or Darnold is bad enough to lead the Panthers to another top ten or better pick next year while they used this year's draft to improve other areas of the team. Then they use next year's pick on a QB.

I'm fine with that too, but in that case you wasted a 4th, and future 2nd/6th as well as possibly forgoing a franchise QB option in the meantime. That's all I'm saying. That trade and Sam Darnold's presence honestly shouldn't weigh into our action at #8. Darnold just kept us from being in a situation where we felt our hand was forced to do something stupid there.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He wasn't available for trade given what anyone was willing to offer. You really think they would've passed in #8 overall at that time?

We were negotiating this trade for weeks.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/04/05/monday-afternoon-quarterback-sam-darnold-trade-panthers-jets

The Jets have said many times they weren't definite on trading Darnold.

Even after the trade was done, some (including GM Joe Douglas) were questioning whether they should have.

[Stormin]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's actually not guaranteed that either of them will be available at our pick.

 That is what worries me. I feel draft picks are going to be passed around like playing cards tomorrow. I imagine we trade down in this scenario. 

[jayboogieman]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

If you don't have a QB, you can't compete in the NFL.  Do we have one? 

I agree with the FO, you can't have too many good quarterbacks on your roster.  We have spent years spending first round picks on guys we knew would be backups/role players at RB, LB, DL, etc.   If Sam ended up being a legit lotto ticket that Fields couldn't jump? That wouldn't actually be bad.  We would have real value on our roster.  To do what we wanted with. 

The Panthers might. Won't know until he hits the field with the team.

Unlike other positions, teams only play on QB at a time. So, yeah, you can have too many good ones on the roster. If they are good enough to start, they are going to want to play. It happens in college all the time now. It would be worse in the NFL where millions are on the line.

Is it fair to judge the current FO by what previous regimes did?

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

I'm not all in on Sam, but think he should get a chance to show what he can do with what should be better coaching and surrounding talent.

I think that's a lot of us.

I haven't seen anyone definitively saying Darnold will be a star.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The Jets have said many times they weren't definite on trading Darnold.

Even after the trade was done, some (including GM Joe Douglas) were questioning whether they should have.

And then they traded him for relative peanuts. Sure...

[Call Me James]

3 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

I'm not all in on Sam, but think he should get a chance to show what he can do with what should be better coaching and surrounding talent.

He's gone through new coaching once already. And the incoming staff at the Jets decided it was time to move on. 

It's still up in the air as to how good our coaching staff is. 

But I recall these same arguments being made last year with regard to Teddy who ended up looking like the same guy he's always been. 

And to be fair, if the Panthers pass on a QB, if one is available, and Darnold doesn't work out the coaching staff better pray to high heaven the guys they passed on look just as bad. 

 

 

 

 

[Call Me James]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The Jets have said many times they weren't definite on trading Darnold.

Even after the trade was done, some (including GM Joe Douglas) were questioning whether they should have.

If they didn't Trade Darnold do you believe they'd take a QB at 2 or trade back? 

[Smittymoose]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Then you trade Fields. Until we answer the QB question it remains a need and QB need trumps all other roster needs.

Trade Fields for less, probably significantly less, value than the 8th overall pick? Great move!

[Smittymoose]

13 minutes ago, CRA said:

If you don't have a QB, you can't compete in the NFL.  Do we have one? 

I agree with the FO, you can't have too many good quarterbacks on your roster.  We have spent years spending first round picks on guys we knew would be backups/role players at RB, LB, DL, etc.   And they weren't drafted to be behind a "Sam Darnold" bust/project/lotto ticket.  If Sam ended up being a legit lotto ticket that Fields couldn't jump? That wouldn't actually be bad.  We would have real value on our roster.  To do what we wanted with. 

Fields would be worth less than what Carolina spent on him. Drafting a QB is a terrible move for Carolina at this point. The only thing worse would be reaching for a bum like Jaycee Horn. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Smittymoose said:

Trade Fields for less, probably significantly less, value than the 8th overall pick? Great move!

A better move than betting the franchise on Darnold which is what you're doing passing on a franchise QB prospect at #8.

[Smittymoose]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

A better move than betting the franchise on Darnold which is what you're doing passing on a franchise QB prospect at #8.

It's not betting the franchise on Darnold. It's betting a year on Darnold and seeing what you have with him. If he's bad, Carolina will be right back in position to take a QB next year. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A better move than betting the franchise on Darnold which is what you're doing passing on a franchise QB prospect at #8.

Based on the assumption that Darnold will be bad and Fields will be good.

As mentioned previously, you don't know if either of those things will be true.