Regarding fifth year options

[Stumpy]

11 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Here is a fun game. Name a WR with better stats and a worse QB combo throwing to him than Kyle Allen/Grier/half a Cam/PJ/Teddy.

Who were Amari Cooper's qbs?

[ForJimmy]

Just now, Stumpy said:

Who were Amari Cooper's qbs?

Dak the previous year and Dak/Dalton this past year.

[Stumpy]

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Dak the previous year and Dak/Dalton this past year.

You forgot Ben Dinucci and Garrett Gilbert. The latter of which couldn't beat out Allen or Heinicke with the Panthers. 

[KSpan]

3 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

You forgot Ben Dinucci and Garrett Gilbert. The latter of which couldn't beat out Allen or Heinicke with the Panthers. 

Dinucci and Gilbert both had one start each.

[Stumpy]

Hell, T McLaurin's stats are almost identical to DJs, except a year younger.

McLs QBs...

Haskins

Allen

Smith

Heinicke

Keenum

McCoy

[Stumpy]

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Dinucci and Gilbert both had one start each.

how many games did Greir and PJ start with DJ?

[ForJimmy]

36 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

You forgot Ben Dinucci and Garrett Gilbert. The latter of which couldn't beat out Allen or Heinicke with the Panthers. 

It looks like Dalton played 11 games and Dak played 5 last year. Maybe they came in for a series or two? Regardless he had a whole season plus 5 games with a top QB then 9/10 with a QB on Teddy’s level.

[KSpan]

46 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

how many games did Greir and PJ start with DJ?

That seems relevant if one considers Allen and/or Bridgewater better than Prescott and/or Dalton, which I don't think anyone is arguing, so I'm lost on your angle here. The answer though is also 1 each, so it's seemingly a draw with respect to bottom of the QB depth chart for each team.

[Stumpy]

20 minutes ago, KSpan said:

That seems relevant if one considers Allen and/or Bridgewater better than Prescott and/or Dalton, which I don't think anyone is arguing, so I'm lost on your angle here. The answer though is also 1 each, so it's seemingly a draw with respect to bottom of the QB depth chart for each team.

That seems relevant if you ignore the fact that Allen and Teddy both had better qb ratings than Dalton in 2020.

[Stumpy]

I swear some people will never let Moore be just a good WR because of this...

Guess what, Smitty also said that Corey Coleman was, "the next Steve Smith!" Where is Coleman now?

He also told Lafell, a 10 year vet, that he would never make it in the NFL.

Maybe Steve isn't the best evaluator of WR talent.

[KSpan]

17 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

That seems relevant if you ignore the fact that Allen and Teddy both had better qb ratings than Dalton in 2020.

Moore played with Allen in 2019, when his was lower than Dalton 2020. We all also saw what Teddy did this year regardless of his QB rating, and had he actually hit DJ in stride a few times he short-armed him (or missed him being wide open) DJ's numbers sure would look better.

I'm still not following your argument here.

[ForJimmy]

4 hours ago, Stumpy said:

Hell, T McLaurin's stats are almost identical to DJs, except a year younger.

McLs QBs...

Haskins

Allen

Smith

Heinicke

Keenum

McCoy

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/19/panthers-d-j-moore-robby-anderson-uncatchable-end-zone-targets/?fbclid=IwAR2o36nLpJDVklIAuWQ8HmnFp2sg-GS8ILGpqQfYbQgVqgnhBl5nypg7pH0
 

This shows you how bad it was for Moore and he still produced. He had over 6 more yards per attempt than McL who has Alex Smith for several games which was way better than what Moore was working with. You find anyone else? 

[Stumpy]

3 hours ago, KSpan said:

Moore played with Allen in 2019, when his was lower than Dalton 2020. We all also saw what Teddy did this year regardless of his QB rating, and had he actually hit DJ in stride a few times he short-armed him (or missed him being wide open) DJ's numbers sure would look better.

I'm still not following your argument here.

 

42 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/19/panthers-d-j-moore-robby-anderson-uncatchable-end-zone-targets/?fbclid=IwAR2o36nLpJDVklIAuWQ8HmnFp2sg-GS8ILGpqQfYbQgVqgnhBl5nypg7pH0
 

This shows you how bad it was for Moore and he still produced. He had over 6 more yards per attempt than McL who has Alex Smith for several games which was way better than what Moore was working with. You find anyone else? 

I give.

You guys are right.

Every other WR in the league was gifted yards by the perfect QB play of noted cannon arm qbs like Alex Smith. Conversely, if DJ had not had to literally drag a broken jugs machine down the field, he would be a cross between Steve Smith, Megatron and the Sacred Mother.

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, Stumpy said:

 

I give.

You guys are right.

Every other WR in the league was gifted yards by the perfect QB play of noted cannon arm qbs like Alex Smith. Conversely, if DJ had not had to literally drag a broken jugs machine down the field, he would be a cross between Steve Smith, Megatron and the Sacred Mother.

So you have no data/stats to backup your argument. That usually means one thing...