Super League

[Ja Rhule]

22 hours ago, klumme said:

And now the people behind this poo is going too. Woodward and Agnelli are gone. fug them. The Fans have won. 

I think top teams misjudged the fans and how little they understand about the financial aspect of the game.

[Goondal]

Damn proud to be a Bayern supporter.  Also proud of Dortmund and the rest of our Bundesliga rivals (even Leipzig, which feels weird) for uniting against this sham.  Well done also to PSG, regardless of what their motives may have been.

Damn proud of all the fans, players, former players, etc that managed to so quickly bring this thing down.  Really hope the repercussions are severe.

[klumme]

3 hours ago, Ja Rhule said:

I think top teams misjudged the fans and how little they understand about the financial aspect of the game.

The rich owners who have no idea what the offside rule is or anything about the history of soccer misjudged the fans. 

If you have not been to a pub before a game in the UK its hard to really understand the love those guys have for their teams. They live and die for their team. 

 

Soccer is for the fans, not a rich owner.

[klumme]

3 hours ago, Goondal said:

Damn proud to be a Bayern supporter.  Also proud of Dortmund and the rest of our Bundesliga rivals (even Leipzig, which feels weird) for uniting against this sham.  Well done also to PSG, regardless of what their motives may have been.

Damn proud of all the fans, players, former players, etc that managed to so quickly bring this thing down.  Really hope the repercussions are severe.

The 50+1 rule frem Germany should spread to every national league in Europe. And the way the clubs treat their fans should also spread. I think Germany has some of the cheapest tickets in Euro pe and some of the best fans. The fans of my favorite national club has a friendship with Dortmunds fans so I have been to a lot of their games and stood on the Yellow Wall. Amazing. No NFL can produce anything like that. 

[Ja Rhule]

18 minutes ago, klumme said:

The rich owners who have no idea what the offside rule is or anything about the history of soccer misjudged the fans. 

If you have not been to a pub before a game in the UK its hard to really understand the love those guys have for their teams. They live and die for their team. 

 

Soccer is for the fans, not a rich owner.

It’s not about rich owners.  Go see CL payouts then compare it to average top player salary.  Then look at average top player in crappy team like Zenit.  People do not use analytics and go of what they know and what they know is limited information because they do not care to look at the numbers.

[klumme]

4 minutes ago, Ja Rhule said:

It’s not about rich owners.  Go see CL payouts then compare it to average top player salary.  Then look at average top player in crappy team like Zenit.  People do not use analytics and go of what they know and what they know is limited information because they do not care to look at the numbers.

Analytics? Dude really? You are thinking like the rich american owners who have no idea about the tradition of soccer and the structure and only thinks about money.  Soccer is made by the poor and stolen by the rich. A closed league is only about greed and against everything soccer is about.

[Ja Rhule]

13 minutes ago, klumme said:

Analytics? Dude really? You are thinking like the rich american owners who have no idea about the tradition of soccer and the structure and only thinks about money.  Soccer is made by the poor and stolen by the rich. A closed league is only about greed and against everything soccer is about.

Soccer is a business...  salaries, costs, player prices keeps going up while payouts remain flat.  Europe is about to experience hyper inflation in the next 3 years.  But hey... tradition right?  Live in the past, die in the past.

Edited April 21, 2021 by Ja Rhule

[klumme]

10 hours ago, Ja Rhule said:

Soccer is a business...  salaries, costs, player prices keeps going up while payouts remain flat.  Europe is about to experience hyper inflation in the next 3 years.  But hey... tradition right?  Live in the past, die in the past.

Real Madrids revenue have gone through the roof the last 15 years. From 300 mil euros to almost 800 mil euros. Soccer can be a be buisness without selling out. Just go watch the Bundesliga. 

Trying to run soccer like you run american sport is going to fail. 

But yes, I would much rather see my team playing lower league teams than to see Arsenal play in a closes league with nothing really at stake. No relegation or anything. 

[Ja Rhule]

3 hours ago, klumme said:

Real Madrids revenue have gone through the roof the last 15 years. From 300 mil euros to almost 800 mil euros. Soccer can be a be buisness without selling out. Just go watch the Bundesliga. 

Trying to run soccer like you run american sport is going to fail. 

But yes, I would much rather see my team playing lower league teams than to see Arsenal play in a closes league with nothing really at stake. No relegation or anything. 

American sports run on salary cap and profit sharing.  They allocate x amount to expenses and it guarantees they will always make profit.  European soccer teams are individual businesses that independently manage finances.  In order for those teams to get big sponsorships and TV deals, they must bring in talent and win games.

[klumme]

3 hours ago, Ja Rhule said:

American sports run on salary cap and profit sharing.  They allocate x amount to expenses and it guarantees they will always make profit.  European soccer teams are individual businesses that independently manage finances.  In order for those teams to get big sponsorships and TV deals, they must bring in talent and win games.

And if they make a great product, they win and make money without selling their soul. Bayern won the Champions League last year and said fug off to the Super League.  

Though some kind of salery cap should be something you should look at in soccer. You can do that without making a closed league ruining the structure which soccer is builded on.

[Goondal]

On 4/22/2021 at 11:35 AM, klumme said:

And if they make a great product, they win and make money without selling their soul. Bayern won the Champions League last year and said fug off to the Super League.  

Though some kind of salery cap should be something you should look at in soccer. You can do that without making a closed league ruining the structure which soccer is builded on.

I prefer a luxury tax to a salary cap but definitely agree that those things can be implemented without it being a closed system with a stupid playoff for half the damn teams.  Makes all these must see matches they are trying to create rather meaningless. 

Pep said it best, "it is not sport if it does not matter if you lose." 

[Ja Rhule]

1 hour ago, Goondal said:

I prefer a luxury tax to a salary cap but definitely agree that those things can be implemented without it being a closed system with a stupid playoff for half the damn teams.  Makes all these must see matches they are trying to create rather meaningless. 

Pep said it best, "it is not sport if it does not matter if you lose." 

Yea, Pep also always gets teams with amazing talents and huge bag of money to spend in free agency.

[Goondal]

On 4/26/2021 at 1:52 PM, Ja Rhule said:

Yea, Pep also always gets teams with amazing talents and huge bag of money to spend in free agency.

That really does not counter the idea that it should matter if you win or lose.  I suppose it could be worse though, here in the US we reward people for losing with high draft picks.

[DuncanLucas]

On 5/1/2021 at 12:49 AM, tsuchinoko said:

You see, I am trying to see the positive things out of all this situation. I think that the Super League is great for the top clubs, first of all becasue of the financial sitaution. I mean, the covid-19 pandemic has affected them very much, and their debts have reached an incredible level. While for us, the most amazing thing is that we would be getting some incredible matches almost every day of the week! We would not be able to actually watch every single game, and that is the worst part :DDD. We would have to watch the scores on 55goal.com as the amount of great games would be incredible.

I have to agree with you, the Super League is not that bad actually