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14 women in D. Watson case set to reveal their names and move forward publicly.

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DaveThePanther2008 Grand Master

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3 hours ago, top dawg said:

Deshaun Watson is legit offseason news, and as some of you well know, this news and other NFL news is posted right here in this forum, and should be! It's arguably the biggest news of the offseason, and no one should have to go searching for it in another forum. Behave yourselves and take in the news, and there's no reason why it should even be considered for the sometimes train wreck that is the Tinderbox.

It's pretty simple: if you don't want to see the subject matter in a thread, don't open it, much less complain about it being in the traditional place for all NFL news during the offseason.

Yes, 100% agree.  It has been pretty much the forum standard that all NFL news be posted in the Panther forum.  Zod will notify us during training camp or at the start of the season when ONLY Panther related news is allowed.

If you don't like the post, don't reply. 

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I’m not saying Watson is guilty of any crimes, but IMO, this “consensual activities” piece is not good for him. I was a Defense Attorney for four years, and many of my cases involved defending Airmen against sexual assault allegations.

When the Defense relies on, “Well, yeah. The actions the victim alleges are true, but they were consensual,” you’ve automatically created a credibility competition. When the accused’s credibility relies on 15-20 allegations of similar sexual misconduct, the accused’s credibility on the consensual nature of offenses goes in the tank. 

The Rules of Evidence prohibit character evidence against an accused in pretty much every instance. For instance, you can’t present evidence that a guy often beats women so he must have beat this one, or that he has often broken into stores so he must have broken into this one.

However, there is one instance in which the Rules of Evidence allows you to present this type of evidence: sexual offenses. This is the one distinct area in which the law allows you to present evidence that this guy commit sexual misconduct against this other person so he must be the type of guy who does this thing. Not good for the Defense. Not good at all. 

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9 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

He really screwed himself by trying so hard to force a trade right after signing a contract. If he hadn't done that he would have a chance  to weather this if he wasn't. Well maybe not but he's fuged

Possible he tried to force a trade since the heat was getting hot and he needed to leave town. 

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If they're really pulling out the consensual card (and I say "if" because I haven't directly heard about that), that's going to be a terribly hard sell. A high profile athlete paying a woman to meet him in a private location which then leads to sex? At best it comes off as implicit prostitution which is obviously illegal in its own right. But it's just as easy to argue these women were indirectly coerced out of retaliatory fear of a physically imposing and financially and pop culturally powerful individual for whom they were in a business/service relationship contingent on satisfied customers. I'm no legal expert but it seems like at the very least it has grounds on a civil basis and could easily be argued criminally. It's why a boss can't just ask his secretary "Hey why don't we have sex" and expect it to come out as completely kosher if she files for harrassment even if she didn't emphatically say no.

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46 minutes ago, bythenbrs said:

Never was a young, talented, highly paid athlete more in need of a life coach or professional mentor than D. Watson.  His personal life, reputation and professional career will carry this stain for many, many years.  

I'd say that in this situation a "life coach" or "professional mentor" would be a poor substitute for parents who raised you to (at best) have the sense not to put yourself in this sort of situation as a highly visible, highly paid professional athlete, or at at worst, not to treat women this way.

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5 hours ago, Bama Panther said:

I’m not saying Watson is guilty of any crimes, but IMO, this “consensual activities” piece is not good for him. I was a Defense Attorney for four years, and many of my cases involved defending Airmen against sexual assault allegations.

When the Defense relies on, “Well, yeah. The actions the victim alleges are true, but they were consensual,” you’ve automatically created a credibility competition. When the accused’s credibility relies on 15-20 allegations of similar sexual misconduct, the accused’s credibility on the consensual nature of offenses goes in the tank. 

The Rules of Evidence prohibit character evidence against an accused in pretty much every instance. For instance, you can’t present evidence that a guy often beats women so he must have beat this one, or that he has often broken into stores so he must have broken into this one.

However, there is one instance in which the Rules of Evidence allows you to present this type of evidence: sexual offenses. This is the one distinct area in which the law allows you to present evidence that this guy commit sexual misconduct against this other person so he must be the type of guy who does this thing. Not good for the Defense. Not good at all. 

Not to mention the similarities of each instance.  Rule 404 won’t be kind to him here.

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Instead of making any comments at all, Hardin should be convincing his client to pony up million of dollars in settlement money to hopefully make these go away and salvage his career. After the case is settled he could then credibly claim his client did nothing wrong.  The longer this goes on the worse it is for Watson.

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2 hours ago, BIGH2001 said:

Instead of making any comments at all, Hardin should be convincing his client to pony up million of dollars in settlement money to hopefully make these go away and salvage his career. After the case is settled he could then credibly claim his client did nothing wrong.  The longer this goes on the worse it is for Watson.

It may be too late for that.  Ask JR, former franchise owner, how well his payoffs/NDA's protected him from the wrath of the NFL and the court of public opinion.

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