The other side of "It is what it is."

[SMACKDAB]

I saw your shocking souls 4 fun moniker under the avatar right away and knew your game. I usually just ignore you unless you get personal or negative. I know that you do it for a reaction. And sometimes it works. Never saw the value in baiting people for personal amusement but it takes all kinds. As I have said before you have a right to do whatever as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.

So shock away and fish all you want.

Personal attack much? :cheers2:

[panthers55]

Personal attack much? :cheers2:

Keeping score and counting coup much? :cheers2:

[SMACKDAB]

Keeping score and counting coup much? :cheers2:

Yes Sir!

What decent Native American doesn't?

[top dawg]

The other correllaries are:

It isn't what many people think it is.

It isn't always what people try to make it be.

If you aren't there, you have no idea what it is.

I get that too, but sometimes it just comes down to simple observation. There is no rocket science in watching your coach squander away games by being hyper-conservative. Facts and figures are fine, but you have to look at the reality. Even if a person believes that Fox has taken his most recent approach (which really is an intensification of his methodology) because of Jake's poor play, that person must ask themselves why Jake is still starting (or still here, at all). The eyes don't lie.

But, as you alluded to: "Opinions are like [a-holes]. Everyone has one."

[panthers55]

I get that too, but sometimes it just comes down to simple observation. There is no rocket science in watching your coach squander away games by being hyper-conservative. Facts and figures are fine, but you have to look at the reality. Even if a person believes that Fox has taken his most recent approach (which really is an intensification of his methodology) because of Jake's poor play, that person must ask themselves why Jake is still starting (or still here, at all). The eyes don't lie.

But, as you alluded to: "Opinions are like [a-holes]. Everyone has one."

And facts can be interpreted any way you want also. What do you make of the fact that we have only run the ball 20 times more than we have passed through 8 games which is very similar to the mix of last season when he obviously trusted Jake? Obviously the passes are shorter and less vertical than last year but if he doesn't trust Jake then why let him throw 30 times against New Orleans?

Want another fact. Last year Jake threw the ball 414 times. So far through 8 games this year he has thrown it 221 times which puts him on target for 442 times if he stays on this pace. Strange for a quarterback he has lost complete faith in. Or maybe he knows we win when the Panthers only throw 20 -25 times a game.

[SMACKDAB]

The only reason Jake has thrown that much is because Fox is bound and determined to prove Jake is his guy.....period. His neck is to far out there not to do so. That has changed as of late though.....hasn't it?

Fox see's the writing on the wall that most of us have seen for quite some time coming now.

Now....work up those numbers on INT's, completions, yardage, etc on the amount of throws you wanna glorify this guy with... and get back with me.

[SMACKDAB]

Here....I'll do it for you Mr. Stat Guy.........

Through 8 games, QB rating of 61.7

130/221 completions for a total of 1463 yards-meaning 182.9 a game and a completion % of 58.8.

6.6 yards average, 5 TD's, and 13 interceptions

Sacked 16 times losing 135 yards

Fumbled 5 times, losing 3 of them

WOW!

[panthers55]

Here....I'll do it for you Mr. Stat Guy.........

Through 8 games, QB rating of 61.7

130/221 completions for a total of 1463 yards-meaning 182.9 a game and a completion % of 58.8.

6.6 yards average, 5 TD's, and 13 interceptions

Sacked 16 times losing 135 yards

Fumbled 5 times, losing 3 of them

WOW!

And other than the interceptions which have been discussed ad nauseum, what does it mean? The lower passer rating is a function of many things but the biggest reason for the lower rating seems to be 2 things, the interceptions and the 6.6 yards per attempt.

He obviously is being sacked more often at a rate of twice that of last year. Does that mean the line is not as good as last year. Is the yards per attempt a function of shorter passes, fewer yards after the catch, an inabilty for the receivers and quarterback to hook up on more long bombs.

This year they are passing for 182 yards per game- last year it was around 195.

The point was has Jake's performance and alleged lack of faith in him substantially changed the playcalling and resultant ratio of passes/runs.

Or were you just trying to make this another bash Jake thread.

[Jangler]

I won't read it anymore, then.

[panthers55]

The only reason Jake has thrown that much is because Fox is bound and determined to prove Jake is his guy.....period. His neck is to far out there not to do so. That has changed as of late though.....hasn't it?

Fox see's the writing on the wall that most of us have seen for quite some time coming now.

Now....work up those numbers on INT's, completions, yardage, etc on the amount of throws you wanna glorify this guy with... and get back with me.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that no one is glorifying Jake or saying he is all that good. But the facts are there and at least for me I enjoy an intellectual dicussion about what is going on rather than the same old Jake sucks threads lately. Get back with me when you have something to offer rather than the same old baiting techniques.

[panthers55]

I won't read it anymore, then.

Then go back to putting in some pictures and visual commentary.

[SMACKDAB]

Get back with me when you have something to offer rather than the same old baiting techniques.

You are the ones who always talks about show me some facts, intellectual conversation, stats etc. I gave them to you, now I'm baiting.........yeah ok.

Seeing with one eye closed, or turning a blind eye to the obvious is not what Eternal Optimist means.

[MurkN]

You are the ones who always talks about show me some facts, intellectual conversation, stats etc. I gave them to you, now I'm baiting.........yeah ok.

Seeing with one eye closed, or turning a blind eye to the obvious is not what Eternal Optimist means.

There will always be a way to spin something that totally sucks into something that is halfway presentable.

[AceMan]

You are the ones who always talks about show me some facts, intellectual conversation, stats etc. I gave them to you, now I'm baiting.........yeah ok.

Seeing with one eye closed, or turning a blind eye to the obvious is not what Eternal Optimist means.

I find this amusing...

Fox, Davidson, and Delhomme are done.