Micah Parsons runs 4.39

[JawnyBlaze]

57 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Maybe, maybe not.  Not having Cam might have forced our whiz-bang brain trust to build something on offense and not just slough off lack of receivers and generally patchwork OLs with "but we have Cam."

Of course, if they had managed to build depth into the offense, it probably would have been by accident.

I mean, we saw what it would look like. 2019 when we had Luke and no Cam

[jfra78]

Everyone saying MLB is a luxury pick doesnt understand football.  MLB makes the whole defense better.  He benefits this team far more than aver reaching for a bum QB.  

[Varking]

1 hour ago, Trainwreck said:

Drafting linebackers have gone well for us. 

Has it? Despite drafting some of the leagues best Linebackers our defenses are often just as inconsistent as our offense. One year we have a top 5 defense, the next it’s in the mid to late teens. And even with drafting these amazing linebackers we still couldn’t break the curse of back to back winning seasons. We need to try different things. 

[Untouchable]

[LinvilleGorge]

20 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Everyone saying MLB is a luxury pick doesnt understand football.  MLB makes the whole defense better.  He benefits this team far more than aver reaching for a bum QB.  

Explain why in Luke's last season the hands down best two MLBs in the game (Luke and Wagner) played on two of the worst defenses in the league.

[Sgt Schultz]

25 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I mean, we saw what it would look like. 2019 when we had Luke and no Cam

Keep in mind, we were expecting (or maybe more hoping) to have Cam in 2019.  My point is that having Cam made our brain trust lazy, not that once he was here he meant more or less than Luke. 

We didn't need such novel things as WRs who could actually catch the ball or OL that could actually sustain a pocket because "we have Cam."

Could our brain trust have produced wins if they never had Cam?  Probably not, since they had a hard enough time producing them with Cam.  But it would have forced them to try to build something on offense, not just basically rely on one person.

Asking them to build an offense around Cam was apparently asking too much of them.  They did manage to build a defense around Luke, at least for a while.

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Maybe, maybe not.  Not having Cam might have forced our whiz-bang brain trust to build something on offense and not just slough off lack of receivers and generally patchwork OLs with "but we have Cam."

Of course, if they had managed to build depth into the offense, it probably would have been by accident.

That braintrust never built jack on the O, they just road Cam into the ground (Including DG's years where we were competitive but his hands were tied by Ron and staff hiding behind JR). Without Cam, the only positive I can say is that they all would have been fired sooner. Plus, look at the QBs from 2011 to 2017....grim stuff. 

[CRA]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Explain why in Luke's last season the hands down best two MLBs in the game (Luke and Wagner) played on two of the worst defenses in the league.

Because both teams let the talent on those units go to poo. 

I mean, you still need a DL in front of Luke. 

[Rags]

I think Parsons is a great player but I really, really don't think he's an every down mike in the NFL. Much more of a Sam. Definitely is a sideline to sideline guy but good lord when he gets misdirected he completely takes himself out of the play. Okay in zone and didn't play a lot of man. Never played up to that 4.3 speed on tape either.

Much rather go with Horn over Parsons.

[Sgt Schultz]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

That braintrust never built jack on the O, they just road Cam into the ground (Including DG's years where we were competitive but his hands were tied by Ron and staff hiding behind JR). Without Cam, the only positive I can say is that they all would have been fired sooner. Plus, look at the QBs from 2011 to 2017....grim stuff. 

Exactly.  I thought about the likelihood of "earlier exits" had Cam not been here and had the brain trust not been able to build an offense around more than one person. 

Without Cam, we would have probably been treated to dive left, dive right, pass.  But even that might have required them to accidentally build an OL. 

As it was, we did exactly what you said: didn't build anything but did ride Cam into the ground.

As for Parsons, I like what I see but not with our #8 pick.  I wish we were in a position that picking Parsons at #8 could be seen as a wise move, but we are not there yet.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

Because both teams let the talent on those units go to poo. 

I mean, you still need a DL in front of Luke. 

That's my point. MLBs only make a considerable difference when everything is right in front of them and behind them. If your DL sucks and your secondary sucks, it doesn't matter of you have All-Pros at LB. Your D still sucks.

[bythenbrs]

If all 4 QB’s are gone, Rashawn Slater at 8, please.  Better yet, trade for Darnold or Minshew and still take Slater at 8.  That and a G/C in the second will put Fitz on my Christmas card list. 

Edited March 25, 2021 by bythenbrs

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's my point. MLBs only make a considerable difference when everything is right in front of them and behind them. If your DL sucks and your secondary sucks, it doesn't matter of you have All-Pros at LB. Your D still sucks.

Same is true largely for QBs. 

Tom Brady does you no good without an OL and the proper weapons.   If you have an OL and weapons? Brady makes a massive difference.  You got a DL?  A dude like Luke will give you a top D. 

That's my take.   Not 100% the same but similar in nature. 

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Exactly.  I thought about the likelihood of "earlier exits" had Cam not been here and had the brain trust not been able to build an offense around more than one person. 

Without Cam, we would have probably been treated to dive left, dive right, pass.  But even that might have required them to accidentally build an OL. 

As it was, we did exactly what you said: didn't build anything but did ride Cam into the ground.

As for Parsons, I like what I see but not with our #8 pick.  I wish we were in a position that picking Parsons at #8 could be seen as a wise move, but we are not there yet.

Maybe, it's a possibility but it's just as likely if not more so that they would have imploded without Cam. Like a sting of anti-2015s lol. Good D and no hope on the O.  DG's time we had JR so we know nothing would have changed really. Dude allowed Clausen to happen and still didn't fire Hurney. Hell, I bet it would all look a lot lioke 2020 at best honestly.

I would also love to be in such a great place where we could take on that kind of talent because we didn't have such massive needs at places that have higher positional value.