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Luke Kuechly: Teddy Bridgewater 'understands it's a performance-based business'

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4 minutes ago, onmyown said:

The argument is his contract as a whole.

Eh....since he is a short term player, I would say his current salary holds the most weight. His cap figure has him the eighth highest paid(currently) in 2021. You really think he will produce at that level? It's the level he is getting paid.

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7 hours ago, Ready 2 Win said:

I feel bad for Teddy. I mean damn, he seems like a great enough guy. He did his best. He wasnt good enough but he showed up and didn't complain and even after all these months of fans saying he is trash, he kept himself quiet and took it. 

I for one salute you Teddy. May not have been a solution we needed but thanks for taking all of this with class. I guess when you get a big fat paycheck helps a lot, but there are many other divas in the league that would have made a huge stink of this situation. 

This comment explains my sentiments perfectly. Ive been as harsh as anyone about teddy but his attitude and outlook should be applauded.

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38 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Eh....since he is a short term player, I would say his current salary holds the most weight. His cap figure has him the eighth highest paid(currently) in 2021. You really think he will produce at that level? It's the level he is getting paid.

No I don’t. But if that’s the bar then he was ranked 18th last year we have a definitive answer - he produced at that level. 

I just don’t think it’s as big a deal. So he signed a two year bridge wb contract. One year he played his worth. We suspect next year he will not play his worth. Then he is cut. 

Big deal? Lots of players with massive contracts don’t play for their worth for the entirety. And those could be 4, 5, 6 year contracts. This is two. It isn’t franchise crippling. 

He’s a bridge QB, was signed as such, and has played as such. Even if he isn’t worth 1 of his two year contract. In relation to players we’ve had and still have not being worth at least 50% of their contracts on longer deals it’s borderline relevant even getting mad over.

But people here act like it was this huge detrimental move this franchise made and it really wasn’t. I suspect it’s residual butthurt from the last QB.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, onmyown said:

No I don’t. But if that’s the bar then he was ranked 18th last year we have a definitive answer - he produced at that level. 

I just don’t think it’s as big a deal. So he signed a two year bridge wb contract. One year he played his worth. We suspect next year he will not play his worth. Then he is cut. 

Big deal? Lots of players with massive contracts don’t play for their worth for the entirety. And those could be 4, 5, 6 year contracts. This is two. It isn’t franchise crippling. 

He’s a bridge QB, was signed as such, and has played as such. Even if he isn’t worth 1 of his two year contract. In relation to players we’ve had and still have not being worth at least 50% of their contracts on longer deals it’s borderline relevant even getting mad over.

But people here act like it was this huge detrimental move this franchise made and it really wasn’t. I suspect it’s residual butthurt from the last QB.

 

 

He produced more in line with what he was paid last season but he will definitely not this season. He's an NFL backup caliber QB that is getting paid like a starter. That's a problem, no matter how you dice it.

It is a detrimental move, there is absolutely no question about it. It robs us of a large sum of cap money that could be either spent improving the team this season or rolled to next season to help us improve. 

At the time it seemed more in line with what the market perception was of him. In hindsight, it was a bad signing. It's hard to spin it any other way than that.

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6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He produced more in line with what he was paid last season but he will definitely not this season. He's an NFL backup caliber QB that is getting paid like a starter. That's a problem, no matter how you dice it.

It is a detrimental move, there is absolutely no question about it. It robs us of a large sum of cap money that could be either spent improving the team this season or rolled to next season to help us improve. 

At the time it seemed more in line with what the market perception was of him. In hindsight, it was a bad signing. It's hard to spin it any other way than that.

If the topic is bad contracts and hindsight, TB is not at the top of the list. 

In regards to rolling over, some cap wiz here will have to determine that - there are a lot of rules for that 4 year, 89% rule and the entire league has to spend a % rule. No idea if TB would’ve even mattered if someone crutches the math.

I agree though, if it were up to me I would’ve made Cam a lame duck and forced to play his last year personally. Why they didn’t do that, especially considering there were flames for doing him wrong anyways? Dunno. Respect maybe? Maybe Cam would have refused (plausible with his commitment comments)...but maybe not.

Who knows. But it is what it is.

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4 minutes ago, onmyown said:

If the topic is bad contracts and hindsight, TB is not at the top of the list. 

In regards to rolling over, some cap wiz here will have to determine that - there are a lot of rules for that 4 year, 89% rule and the entire league has to spend a % rule. No idea if TB would’ve even mattered if someone crutches the math.

I agree though, if it were up to me I would’ve made Cam a lame duck and forced to play his last year personally. Why they didn’t do that, especially considering there were flames for doing him wrong anyways? Dunno. Respect maybe? Maybe Cam would have refused (plausible with his commitment comments)...but maybe not.

Who knows. But it is what it is.

Yeah, rolling with Cam would have been the obvious solution. At least if/when the decision is proven to be wrong, there is no more money tied up into it. Not sure who ultimately made the call to move on from Cam and sign Teddy, but he/they deserve a lot of scorn for those decisions. They will cost us this offseason and the next. 

I don't think Cam would have had any issue playing. He really has never shown any inclination towards being the kind of player to hold out. He seems much more likely to be the sort of guy that bets heavily on his abilities. 

But, this is a hindsight discussion, so those mistakes have already been made. As I said, I'd prefer to just simply move on. We basically know what we have in Teddy and we also know it isn't something that has any real future here. I don't think that is going to be a situation that is productive for the team over the course of a season. 

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37 minutes ago, onmyown said:

No I don’t. But if that’s the bar then he was ranked 18th last year we have a definitive answer - he produced at that level. 

I just don’t think it’s as big a deal. So he signed a two year bridge wb contract. One year he played his worth. We suspect next year he will not play his worth. Then he is cut. 

Big deal? Lots of players with massive contracts don’t play for their worth for the entirety. And those could be 4, 5, 6 year contracts. This is two. It isn’t franchise crippling. 

He’s a bridge QB, was signed as such, and has played as such. Even if he isn’t worth 1 of his two year contract. In relation to players we’ve had and still have not being worth at least 50% of their contracts on longer deals it’s borderline relevant even getting mad over.

But people here act like it was this huge detrimental move this franchise made and it really wasn’t. I suspect it’s residual butthurt from the last QB.

Baseless accusations of butthurt sounds like an emotional reaction to a simple perfomance based discussion. It is salary cap space that could have been utilized beefing up the offensive line and adding another starting corner at the least. The argument you are presenting does not jive with reality. If the Carolina Panthers were willing to spend the kind of money they did on a quarterback do you believe they did not have the expectation he would be even a slight improvement over Allen or a deteriorating Newton? If all they were seeking was a placeholder for a year or two they could have achieved that for significantly less investment and addressed other areas of need to be ready for the next quarterback when the time came to hand off the reigns. The present day dilemma is that simple.

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