Orlovsky on Trey Lance

[Panthero]

Honestly who knows. The success rate of picks by me, you, espn, and even the experts doing the drafting often are dead wrong. I think tou look for physical traits but at qb you need the hard worker who will work to correct his flaws.....and is capable of correcting those. How do you measure that ex ante? Likely the player doesnt even know ahead of time. 

Roll the dice and pray you get lucky. 

[Monrowed]

Is this a Lance thread or Cam Newton?  If it is a Lance thread, then it should be known that he is not Cam Newton nor will he ever achieve at his level. Lance may be more of a Colin Kaepernick type of player. One read and half the field.

I always felt that Lance is a lightweight Cam Newton. However a better comparison may be Kap.

 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Monrowed

[Aussie Tank]

I just wish Cam kept eating steak. Plus I feel Lance has good top end speed but not as explosive as people think from the start which is why I feel he didn’t run at his pro day 

[45catfan]

Orlovsky sucked as a QB.  He's just mad he wasn't a top 10 prospect.  Yes, footwork can be worked on and Trey has.  If doofus wasn't so stuck in his taking points he could go back to Trey's Pro Day where it was pointed out that he HAS, in fact, been working on his footwork this offseason. 

[Martin]

Like him or not, but how good of a player Orlovsky was as a player has no impact on his quality as an analyst, that’s just weak.

As for Lance, he has all the physical attributes you want, and the offense he was in puts a lot on the QB, from calling protections, changing plays, snaps under center etc. Sure, he has only done it for one year, but most other QBs that have started for 2-3 years have done none of that.

The leg thing is hilarious, if that is Orlovsky’s big concern, I’m not very concerned.

Again, just one year as a starter in a lower division is not great, but he did a lot in that one year.

[top dawg]

9 hours ago, Monrowed said:

Is this a Lance thread or Cam Newton?  If it is a Lance thread, then it should be known that he is not Cam Newton nor will he ever achieve at his level. Lance may be more of a Colin Kaepernick type of player. One read and half the field.

I always felt that Lance is a lightweight Cam Newton. However a better comparison may be Kap.

 

I think it's a little presumptuous and foolhardy of you to limit Trey Lance to Cam Newton's bar of achievement! I was, and am, a Cam guy, but I am under no allusions like apparently some that Cam was the perfect QB. He had a very high ceiling that he still hasn't and may never reach because of inconsistency of mechanics and decision-making. Many guys coming into the pros can work on mechanics, and some successfully. Cam was the type that seemed semi successful at it, but never quite took the leap and reverted back to his old ways too often which led to a lot of missed opportunities and a fair amount of meat left on the bone. 

My biggest gripe with Cam was his decision-making. He didn't always make the best decisions, and hopefully that's where Lance has him beat, because making good decisions to protect your body and protect the ball will help you go a lot longer in the league--give you and your team a longer opportunity to succeed--than going full out with reckless abandon, which is what some QBs whose athleticism is a notch above other QBs (or football players in general) try to do too often, and it tells on them in different ways. 

Anyway, Lance has some good things going for him, so give him the respect that you would any QB prospect with so many much-sought-after intangibles before he even steps onto the field as a pro during gameday! No one really knows who is going to be fair, good, or great before they actually begin to play. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

On 3/23/2021 at 7:33 AM, The Huddler said:

tbh im going to let the guy who is a lot smarter at football than me make that decision 

 

well two guys...  Fitterer and Rhule

 

and ill be at peace with whatever they decide. 

Best advice yet.  Other than Lawrence none of the other QBs are locks to be a Franchise QB.  Lots of talent but no guarantee. 

They could be athletic as Mahomes or Jamarcus Russell.

They could be strong armed like Rodgers or Ryan Leaf.

They could be a good decision maker like Brady or Winston.

Who really knows, we have to let the expert (so called experts) make these decision.  We are 5 weeks and one day until we know what will happen for sure.  I, for one, cannot wait. 

We'll have to sit back and see what they will do.

I have never seen an offseason with so many QBs switching team, QBs at the end of their careers and QBs hoping for a fresh start.

Go Panthers

 

[ForJimmy]

11 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

I just wish Cam kept eating steak. Plus I feel Lance has good top end speed but not as explosive as people think from the start which is why I feel he didn’t run at his pro day 

He didn’t run because there was nothing to gain from it. He wanted to show scouts how good his arm is, no one is really doubting his legs. He was clocked in with GPS (which is actual game speed) at one of the top speeds when he was playing. Honestly 40 time shouldn’t matter for QBs, but Trey has been clocked in the mid 4.5s by a performance manager.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/trey-lance-40-yard-dash-pro-day/apq8te72kumr15kvotxfb3ljr
 

[Panthero]

2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Best advice yet.  Other than Lawrence none of the other QBs are locks to be a Franchise QB.  Lots of talent but no guarantee. 

They could be athletic as Mahomes or Jamarcus Russell.

They could be strong armed like Rodgers or Ryan Leaf.

They could be a good decision maker like Brady or Winston.

Who really knows, we have to let the expert (so called experts) make these decision.  We are 5 weeks and one day until we know what will happen for sure.  I, for one, cannot wait. 

We'll have to sit back and see what they will do.

I have never seen an offseason with so many QBs switching team, QBs at the end of their careers and QBs hoping for a fresh start.

Go Panthers

 

I like you mentioned russell. If we get a guy with a terrible attitude (despite being an all world talent), we'll get the same result. 

At qb im looking for temperament as much as anything else. How do these guys handle pressure? Are they disciplined? Are they confident without being arrogant? You really need a damn psychologist in the scouting dept. 

Edited March 24, 2021 by Panthero

[top dawg]

11 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

I just wish Cam kept eating steak. Plus I feel Lance has good top end speed but not as explosive as people think from the start which is why I feel he didn’t run at his pro day 

I mean, he isn't a track star who has to have a great start off the blocks. I haven't seen one analyst, even the more critical ones, question Lance's explosiveness. You can't fake that! Furthermore, GPS clocked him faster than any NFL QB was during the 2020 season (12th fastest in the league)! Come on, man.

[CanePantherHornet]

I'll never understand why ESPN hires some of the shittiest players and expects us to take their opinions seriously. Like, I don't care what Tim Hasselbeck, Trent Dilfer, or Dan Orlovsky have to say about things.

[Aussie Tank]

7 hours ago, top dawg said:

I mean, he isn't a track star who has to have a great start off the blocks. I haven't seen one analyst, even the more critical ones, question Lance's explosiveness. You can't fake that! Furthermore, GPS clocked him faster than any NFL QB was during the 2020 season (12th fastest in the league)! Come on, man.

That’s why I said good top end speed. I’m pretty sure Daniel Jones had one of the fastest clocked speeds in the NFL aswell this year. 

[thefuzz]

3 hours ago, CanePantherHornet said:

I'll never understand why ESPN hires some of the shittiest players and expects us to take their opinions seriously. Like, I don't care what Tim Hasselbeck, Trent Dilfer, or Dan Orlovsky have to say about things.

Gotta be honest, the best talent evaluators, coaches, and analysts are rarely the best players.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

That’s why I said good top end speed. I’m pretty sure Daniel Jones had one of the fastest clocked speeds in the NFL aswell this year. 

I don't trust these speed/clocks that pop up on the TV at all that are now used to make arguments.  They just don't pass the eye test.    

Take Lance's.  You watch that run they cite and there are kids playing FCS football right on his heels that entire run.   

Daniel Jones? You telling me Lamar never got up to a speed faster than him this season? I just don't buy it.