Go on record. Who still wants Watson?

[electro's horse]

6 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Like all citizens of the great United States of America...

...Deshaun Watson is entitled to the presumption of innocence.

 

He's actually not because this is a civil complaint, not criminal. 

[NAS]

This one did it for me, he has some issues

Much of Jane Doe 15’s allegations are similar to those by other women, each of whom Watson hired to provide massages. In May of 2020, she said Watson contacted her via Instagram seeking a massage that would focus on his “‘groin area’, his ‘glutes’ and his ‘lower abdominals.’ ”

Doe 15 was surprised that a famous NFL quarterback sought her out. She alleged that she informed him that she was a licensed personal trainer, not a massage therapist. She could help with post-workout muscle therapy, but “massages were not her specialty.”

Watson was undeterred and scheduled her to come to his house on May 28, according to the lawsuit. She arrived and Watson led her to the theater room, where she set up before Watson returned wearing just a towel.

Doe 15 alleged in her lawsuit that when Watson “eventually flipped over onto his back, the towel fell off [and] … Watson was completely naked and exposed his penis to the Plaintiff. Watson also moved his penis onto Plaintiff’s hand. Watson had pre-ejaculate leaking out of his penis, which got onto Plaintiff’s hand. Plaintiff felt like she wanted to vomit.”

Doe 15 said she was confused and upset and chose to end the massage session. She stated she left soon after.

Watson’s actions are a potential violation of 22.012 of the Texas penal code — indecent assault — which is punishable for up to one year in prison or a fine of $4,000.

“If what happened is as it’s described in the lawsuit, then it is absolutely indecent assault,” Mordock said.

Watson could face more serious felony sexual assault charges based on the allegations by Jane Doe No. 3 and No. 9 concerning forced oral sex, however those civil lawsuits do not indicate a level of contemporaneous reporting that Jane Doe 15 does.

“When Plaintiff got home that day,” the lawsuit reads, “Plaintiff immediately called her mom and her best friend to tell them what happened and said she was traumatized … Plaintiff also received a text message from Watson that same day asking her if she was OK. Plaintiff did not respond. For weeks afterwards, Watson repeatedly contacted Plaintiff asking if he could book her again. Plaintiff either ignored the requests or said she was too busy.”

The fact that Doe 15 alleges to have told two people — her mother and her best friend — that very day about what allegedly happened could provide significant credibility to her claim. Her story is on the record. Both individuals could be called to testify in either a criminal or civil claim.

“That is a contemporaneous report,” Mordock said. “It is the key to these cases. It signals that the alleged victim in the matter knew that it was severe enough that she had to tell someone right away. They knew something was wrong right away.

“Then you have him following up asking if she is OK?” Mordock continued. “That is not a particularly good fact for Watson. And then she refuses to engage with him.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-lawsuit-that-is-most-problematic-for-deshaun-watson-014827728.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALqt1RRSGjigkcYImqAVjgrxVotZp77Uw5Gzuga9kNPlk6wWkT8WlbxLDjD90Wp6H2M35aZfX8PdewPsm0yH3MaHLSiOSBIJx6zHZyZMpxLkobz-FpBcT47WobIWPqEeuITyDNeumYManL41B088bMmFjMFXgBBqFZrtqJjdq6m5

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by NAS

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, NAS said:

This one did it for me, he has some issues

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-lawsuit-that-is-most-problematic-for-deshaun-watson-014827728.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALqt1RRSGjigkcYImqAVjgrxVotZp77Uw5Gzuga9kNPlk6wWkT8WlbxLDjD90Wp6H2M35aZfX8PdewPsm0yH3MaHLSiOSBIJx6zHZyZMpxLkobz-FpBcT47WobIWPqEeuITyDNeumYManL41B088bMmFjMFXgBBqFZrtqJjdq6m5

Is this the one where he locked the door behind him?

Something similar is how they got OJ for kidnapping. He walked into the hotel room, the door locked, and he said "none of you motherfugers are going anywhere" or something to that effect which was enough to charge him with kidnapping lol

[hepcat]

7 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

This website/article links to a number of the actual complaints in pdf form.

Through that site, 8 of the actual complaints are accessible on Al Gore's internets...

The pdf's/complaints are generally short, about 8-pages each. 

Of the 8 practitioners, 6 are licensed, and 2 are not. 

You're prediction was 75% or more of the complaints would be from unlicensed practitioners...

...the reality of it is 75% of the filed cases ARE by licensed practitioners.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, pal...

lol, claiming they are licensed and providing their LMT# are two very different things. 

[mrcompletely11]

35 minutes ago, hepcat said:

lol, claiming they are licensed and providing their LMT# are two very different things. 

for fugs sake

[fjblair]

The bottom line is Watson is an idiot. Hire a hooker, go to a massage parlor with Kraft, get a girlfriend.  Real trainers and masseuses don't jack off their clients. I doubt he ever plays in the league again.

[Asurfaholic]

If I was going to to make a determination of whether Watson likely did do the things alleged, at this point with so many allegations, I’d have to say probably. One allegation is one thing, but when you can establish a pattern of behavior, that can be really hard to dismantle. 
 

But I am not yet convinced that these allegations really rise to a very alarming level of depravity. My basis for this thought is that I haven’t seen anything that really screams that there wasn’t some degree of consent between parties. It seems that Watson sought out people to massage a particular region of his body, and i think that if someone would be uncomfortable with that sort of massage then they would have made clear from the beginning. My gut says that these massages were conducted and the masseuses were mostly willing participants until they were weirded out by Watsons behavior and sexual nature of his requests. They then went on to be disappointed with their own decisions. Some of these allegations seem to explain part of the encounter, but leave off what they willingly did. To me, this would be key information in determining how much consent was given or implied. 
 

I think a case could be built from either side, and these allegations if nothing else point to a lack of sexual boundaries by Watson and he could probably go to church and clean up his mind a bit. 

 

At the same time, there are plenty of masseuses that would willing do exactly what he wants to have done, so I don’t really understand why he would target an unwilling participant, this leads me to believe that they may very well be conspiring to make a civil case for the monetary gain. 

[raleigh-panther]

I just find it hard to believe that neither team security or NFL security or teammates did not know about Watson’s proclivities.   

panthers dodged a huge bullet in any case 

if found guilty, amazing that not even $150 million couldn’t make him keep his penis to himself 

bring on the draft and let this creeper fight his own battles   If he lands in jail, he earned it   If he is out of the league, he earned it   No one put him in this situation but himself   

 

[AceBoogie]

On 3/23/2021 at 9:34 PM, hepcat said:

I’d be very surprised if even 1/4 of the accusers were active licensed massage therapists by the state of Texas. More likely most of them are Instagram models that are borderline escorts that offer massages as a cover for sex. It’s a pretty common ruse to avoid being a full on prostitute. 

And those things typically work on referrals. I doubt Deshaun was just finding random women. He probably had some info that they’d be down for the extra curricular. 

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, fjblair said:

The bottom line is Watson is an idiot. Hire a hooker, go to a massage parlor with Kraft, get a girlfriend.  Real trainers and masseuses don't jack off their clients. I doubt he ever plays in the league again.

He’ll play. Ben raped two women and he’s still playing. Deshaun has a girlfriend by the way. Or at least he did haha. 

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

And those things typically work on referrals. I doubt Deshaun was just finding random women. He probably had some info that they’d be down for the extra curricular. 

well every complaint alleges he was just randomly looking for people on instagram and there will presumably be evidence of this but nah all these women are SLUTS DOWN TO GIVE AN OLD FASHIONED

[SizzleBuzz]

5 hours ago, electro's horse said:

11 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Like all citizens of the great United States of America...

...Deshaun Watson is entitled to the presumption of innocence.

 

He's actually not because this is a civil complaint, not criminal. 

He's still entitled to due process and the presumption of innocence. 

The standards of proof are lower because it's civil in nature but his constitutional rights remain intact.

Edited March 25, 2021 by SizzleBuzz

[R2-D2]

57 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

He's still entitled to due process and the presumption of innocence.

He is not entitled to a presumption of innocence. You’re just using words you don’t understand. Unless you know more than like every law review in the country. 

Like literally the first google search from Virginia law review 

The presumption of innocence represents a political and moral consensus that criminal defendants should not be subject to punishment until adjudicated guilty under a strict standard of proof. Although this concept has long been recognized as the hallmark of the criminal law, its potential application to civil proceedings has been largely neglected. Civil defendants enjoy no presumption of innocence. 

[R2-D2]

Also in civil cases there is no presumption whether someone is innocent or guilty. Just whether or not they owe redress. 
 

In which case it’s pretty obvious deshaun owes something. 

Edited March 25, 2021 by R2-D2