Panthers sign OL Pat Elfein - 3 years, 13.5 million, 6 fully guaranteed

[OldhamA]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He was, but he's also played guard.

He's too small to play G. That's probably why he's been poor the last few years.

Plug the guy in at C and watch him work. Whilst I think you can swing players between T and G (although I wouldn't encourage it), it's very rare that you can swing a C to G (or vice versa). It's a very specialised position. 

[45catfan]

Just now, OldhamA said:

I mean they took 'that centre from NCSU' in the first round.

At that point you have to move Elflein off his position.

I think you missed my point.   If Elfien was all that, why would they draft his replacement?  Doubtful it was a BPA scenario.  Centers RARELY are atop the board in the first round--mid round or not.

[mickeye76]

1 hour ago, MGH1989 said:

Yea this seems like a rotation guy who can play all three interior spots.

Called this.  My take was he looked decent in Minnesota then fell into the pit of despair that is the Jets.  Interior Jack of all trades with extensive center experience.  Depth on the oline is very crucial. He provides depth at three positions.  

[TheSpecialJuan]

G PAT ELFLEIN: THREE YEARS, $13.5 MILLION ($6 MILLION GUARANTEED)

Grade: Poor

Things started out well enough for Elflein as a rookie with the Minnesota Vikings back in 2017, but it’s been downhill since then. The former Ohio State Buckeye has been a revolving door in pass protection, failing to clear a 50.0 pass-blocking grade in any of the past three seasons. He is one of just three guards in the league allowing a pressure rate above 8.0% on at least 500 pass-blocking snaps since 2018. It’s difficult to project a major turnaround in 2021. 

The Vikings were comfortable waiving Elflein during the 2020 season despite their guards combining for the worst pass-blocking grade in the NFL — a dreadful 37.2 mark across the roster. Carolina apparently values his ability to play multiple positions on the interior, but it’s fair to wonder if Minnesota kept moving him around just to see if he could play anywhere, not because he was solid at several spots.

Carolina is probably still working on a long-term deal for right tackle Taylor Moton and is set to lose left tackle Russell Okung to free agency, making this deal even more of a head-scratcher.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-nfl-free-agency-live-deal-grader-grading-tracking-every-free-agent-signing

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

He's too small to play G. That's probably why he's been poor the last few years.

That depends on the system. WCO based systems like ours frequently have smaller, more athletic linemen.

I'd also point out that though he's an inch taller, Joe Thuney is actually listed as eight pounds lighter than Elflein.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Jets fans are LAUGHING at us!!!!!!

[amcoolio]

Kevin Zeitler got 3yr/22million, and he is 1000 times better, I would have just paid up for him instead of these two jabronis

[Varking]

1 minute ago, amcoolio said:

Kevin Zeitler got 3yr/22million, and he is 1000 times better, I would have just paid up for him instead of these two jabronis

He also has to want to come here. 

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Jets fans are LAUGHING at us!!!!!!

[Tbe]

10 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Jets fans are LAUGHING at us!!!!!!

They laughed at us when we signed Robby too.

People need to relax. These guys are backups or dev pieces.

Edited March 15, 2021 by Tbe

[TheSpecialJuan]

[SmartyHurney4]

42 minutes ago, Tbe said:

They laughed at us when we signed Robby too.

People need to relax. These guys are backups or dev pieces.

No the fug they didn't? Go back and read Reddit and their forums, a lot of them knew he was going to do great in Carolina.

We can just make poo up for +internet points I guess.

[Mr. Scot]

43 minutes ago, Tbe said:

They laughed at us when we signed Robby too.

People need to relax. These guys are backups or dev pieces.

I don't think they're backups.

For one, you have to consider that with what happened to the cap and everything, this year is unusual.

But perhaps more important, from the looks of it they seem to be making more money than the guys we paid to be starters last year.

[TheSpecialJuan]