Trey Lance on nfl network as if 12pm est

[Varking]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I know I'm getting older and all, but didy ou not come out and say many weeks ago now that you didn't want Lance?  

That's not too objective, particularly in light of the fact that I know I and others have pointed out that things like pro days hadn't even happened yet.

Want vs understand are different. I don’t *want* Lance when Wilson and Fields are options. I’d understand why we would choose Lance even if the others were on the board. Just because he isn’t who I want today does not mean I don’t understand or support drafting him. 

[45catfan]

20 minutes ago, Shocker said:

He will almost certainly bust.  Can you go into an impossible job and succeed?  

Not sure what you don't see, but whatever.

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, Varking said:

Want vs understand are different. I don’t *want* Lance when Wilson and Fields are options. I’d understand why we would choose Lance even if the others were on the board. Just because he isn’t who I want today does not mean I don’t understand or support drafting him. 

Well I'm not splitting hairs. I'll take any QB that the Panthers decide to draft. None are perfect, but I want any one of them because as of today, I see the pluses and minuses of them all, and aren't so definitive about one or the other, though I think Lance has the absolute highest upside.

[45catfan]

19 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

I won't mind Lance gotta take a chance. But missing when there is no defense and your in shorts aren't good.

All of them were the harder throws.  He made 100% of the short and intermediate passes.  Actually he did have several throws with a simulated rush.  Did I mention the WRs were on loan?  NDSU is in-season and HIS WRs weren't available, so he had to get random dudes to throw to. 

[top dawg]

24 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

I won't mind Lance gotta take a chance. But missing when there is no defense and your in shorts aren't good.

So, do you believe Allen, Herbert and Mahomes completed all their passes on their pro days? Do ya?

[Varking]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

So, do you believe Allen, Herbert and Mahomes completed all their passes on their pro days? Do ya?

I think he was hinting more at pro days are set up in advance and aren’t really meaningful to watch other than seeing coaches interact with the kids. What are you learning at a pro day for most prospects that isn’t going to show up in their film? Most QBs have great pro days. They are designed to make them look good. 

[top dawg]

Just now, Varking said:

I think he was hinting more at pro days are set up in advance and aren’t really meaningful to watch other than seeing coaches interact with the kids. What are you learning at a pro day for most prospects that isn’t going to show up in their film? Most QBs have great pro days. They are designed to make them look good. 

True for the most part, but his post was very subjective regarding Lance, when he did just as well as the others. None of them were perfect--underwear, no defense or not!

[Shocker]

I said this last draft...if you like Lawrence then you should like Herbert...very similar talents

[ForJimmy]

2 hours ago, Shocker said:

Kinda, but Lance played like 17 games in college against lower comp.  Swing for the fences doesn’t quite capture it.  He has not seen top football at all.

I’m saying most of Mac’s competition was significantly below his team and he started the same amount of games. So yeah the guys he is going against are better, but his teammates are significantly better than them. 

[07579394]

Not pro ready,at most worth a late 1st round

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, Shocker said:

I know you love Chase but Miami will almost certainly trade out...I would. They can get an amazing player plus crazy return.

Atlanta will take a QB IMO.  If not they will also trade out.

If Carolina isn’t in top 4 we have made other plans.

There are a lot of factors involved. The Watson situation, the price the top 4 teams that aren't taking QB's want and the desperation level of the pool of QB needy teams. Plus, maybe some of those teams don't have Wilson, Fields or Lance as top 10 caliber. 

[Panthers Rhule]

51 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

There are a lot of factors involved. The Watson situation, the price the top 4 teams that aren't taking QB's want and the desperation level of the pool of QB needy teams. Plus, maybe some of those teams don't have Wilson, Fields or Lance as top 10 caliber. 

Yes, I don't get where people come up with the idea that the 1st 4 picks will be QBs. Unless they believe the Jets, Dolphins and Falcons are drafting QBs or that the Bengals, Eagles or Lions are moving up to draft a QB. People also throw around trading down to QB desperate teams but I don't think they understand the cost of such moves. 

Let's just take it from the start and say the Dolphins are the first team that wants to trade down and Carolina is the first QB desperate team. To make this deal happen we have to consider the Trade Value. Pick 3 has a TV of 2,200 points. Pick 8 has a TV of 1,400 points. Carolina needs to add 800 tv points to even be considered. (usually teams want more. The Bills had to go about 400 points over to get Allen)

So the Panthers would have to give up at least this to move from 8 to 3. pick 8=1,400, pick 39=510, pick 73=225. So our first 3 picks in '21 only comes to 2,135 tv points. We are still a little short. They might accept that but we'd probably have to include a '22 2nd as well as a minimum offer. That's a lot for an unknown. One thing if it's Watson, you know what you're getting. A rookie coming out of College is another story. 

Every pick after ours loses 50 tv points so those moves get more and more expensive for those teams.

The biggest threat to us would be the Broncos at 9 and 49ers at 12. But I doubt they would want to trade up to 3. They would likely try to go for 6 or 7 if they wanted a qb. NE is the next closest team. To trade up to 7 to draft a qb before Carolina, NE would have to have 450 tv points, that would be their first and second in '21 and probably at minimal '22 second and likely another pick as well in '22 or '23. 

So, the only teams that could afford to move up to 3 for a QB are us, Denver and SF. They already have youngish QBs who are average at least. That's a big move for them. The most likely move would be up to 6 or 7. They could do that and that would likely be the biggest threat to us. NE could also make that move but they would have to really want him and they need a lot of other things there but we have to watch them too. The others would have to trade away the this draft and half the next to make that move and isn't very likely to happen. 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Panthers Rhule said:

Yes, I don't get where people come up with the idea that the 1st 4 picks will be QBs. Unless they believe the Jets, Dolphins and Falcons are drafting QBs or that the Bengals, Eagles or Lions are moving up to draft a QB. People also throw around trading down to QB desperate teams but I don't think they understand the cost of such moves. 

Let's just take it from the start and say the Dolphins are the first team that wants to trade down and Carolina is the first QB desperate team. To make this deal happen we have to consider the Trade Value. Pick 3 has a TV of 2,200 points. Pick 8 has a TV of 1,400 points. Carolina needs to add 800 tv points to even be considered. (usually teams want more. The Bills had to go about 400 points over to get Allen)

So the Panthers would have to give up at least this to move from 8 to 3. pick 8=1,400, pick 39=510, pick 73=225. So our first 3 picks in '21 only comes to 2,135 tv points. We are still a little short. They might accept that but we'd probably have to include a '22 2nd as well as a minimum offer. That's a lot for an unknown. One thing if it's Watson, you know what you're getting. A rookie coming out of College is another story. 

Every pick after ours loses 50 tv points so those moves get more and more expensive for those teams.

The biggest threat to us would be the Broncos at 9 and 49ers at 12. But I doubt they would want to trade up to 3. They would likely try to go for 6 or 7 if they wanted a qb. NE is the next closest team. To trade up to 7 to draft a qb before Carolina, NE would have to have 450 tv points, that would be their first and second in '21 and probably at minimal '22 second and likely another pick as well in '22 or '23. 

So, the only teams that could afford to move up to 3 for a QB are us, Denver and SF. They already have youngish QBs who are average at least. That's a big move for them. The most likely move would be up to 6 or 7. They could do that and that would likely be the biggest threat to us. NE could also make that move but they would have to really want him and they need a lot of other things there but we have to watch them too. The others would have to trade away the this draft and half the next to make that move and isn't very likely to happen. 

And I think the price could go up significantly because the market is so bullish. Now, one thing you aren't considering is that a chunk of those teams(us included, admittedly) can move players in lieu of picks for the total package. In San Francisco's case, that actually makes more sense. For a team like New Orleans(as an example) that makes a TON of sense, because they need to jettison salary. 

The scenarios are absolutely crazy. I am pumped, honestly. It is gonna be a wild ride.

[electro's horse]

I watched a lot of it yesterday and the kid has a hose, but he's raw and would need to sit for a year. 

I think the Panthers massive presence there had more to do with sending a message to houston. Carolina has undoubtedly made an offer for Watson and want Casserio and Easterby to know it has an expiration date. 

Miami makes the most sense to trade up with, and lots of smart Dolphins posters I know agree. 

As far as missing some receivers, the greatest all time QB Pro Day was Sam Bradford lmao