Richard Sherman thinks Mac Jones criticized unfairly

[Ivan The Awesome]

look. You can't go comparing Brady and Brees to anyone that isn't mobile. At least Brees and Brady have accuracy, Smarts, and savvy. I can't say the same for anyone compared to them. 

The league is moving away from the Stoic/Statue type QB. This offense is not built for that type of QB. 

[MHS831]

24 minutes ago, Martin said:

He seems to be great at his pre snap reads. He already knows where to go with the ball. The question is what he will do without an obvious pre snap option like he is used to on every play with Bama? He might be great for all I know, but there just seem to be a really small room for error without that super obvious pre snap read.

It feels like he need a great supporting cast (spectacular o-line etc.) to work. 
Not a fan, but I’ll obviously root for him if we pick him. But at 8 I want a star player, not an “just ok” QB. 

Yes--he will need a good running game, weapons on the outside, a TE, and good OL.   I am looking at Jones as a possibility if the top 4 go top 7 and we don't bring in Watson.

I still think we get Watson, however.  (Reason?  Why would the Jets give up 2 first rounders and the rights to Wilson to get Watson?  Miami is not going to dump Tua yet--they just drafted him, and he was coming off surgery and had no preseason.) The Falcons will bring in a young QB to play behind Ryan for a season or so (I am thinking Mond in round 2) and the Lions (Goff) and Eagles (Hurt) are not going to get into the bidding.  So why trade for Watson?  Those teams will likely trade back.  Just my theory).

[MHS831]

23 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

look. You can't go comparing Brady and Brees to anyone that isn't mobile. At least Brees and Brady have accuracy, Smarts, and savvy. I can't say the same for anyone compared to them. 

The league is moving away from the Stoic/Statue type QB. This offense is not built for that type of QB. 

Yes, but would you have said that about Brady and Brees in college?

I get your point, Ivan.  I still think the QB that processes the fastest and makes the throws is going to be successful.  The mobile QB is a product of the college game changing, making the pocket passers hard to find---

Tampa Bay (Brady) and Alabama (Jones) won rings this year.  There is that.

[Mr. Scot]

30 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

look. You can't go comparing Brady and Brees to anyone that isn't mobile. At least Brees and Brady have accuracy, Smarts, and savvy. I can't say the same for anyone compared to them. 

The league is moving away from the Stoic/Statue type QB. This offense is not built for that type of QB. 

Brady's offense?

It's absolutely built for a pocket passer type.

We're running a WCO type scheme with similar route concepts to what they used in New Orleans with Brees. You don't need a run threat QB for that.

[Basbear]

@MHS831 has been dropping bombs with defending Jones making it hard to ignore. I forget the "expert"(was a trusted one for me), but they love Jones. He was saying if you compare Tuas' season/games with Jones, both had similar weapons and OL.... Jones had the better season thus is the better player!  Many teams had Tua for the top pick/top three, even with a awful hip injury he Dolphins took him at 5. It made me go "hmmm" and Mhs is too. 

[Catsfan69]

19 minutes ago, Basbear said:

@MHS831 has been dropping bombs with defending Jones making it hard to ignore. I forget the "expert"(was a trusted one for me), but they love Jones. He was saying if you compare Tuas' season/games with Jones, both had similar weapons and OL.... Jones had the better season thus is the better player!  Many teams had Tua for the top pick/top three, even with a awful hip injury he Dolphins took him at 5. It made me go "hmmm" and Mhs is too. 

Lol I didn't want Tua either. He has no arm.

What's with you guys and these rag arm QBs?

[Basbear]

2 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Lol I didn't want Tua either. He has no arm.

What's with you guys and these rag arm QBs?

I didnt say Im for Jones, its the opposite. Hes just bring good points about Jones, Tua was the apple of many teams eye. Im 152% Lance and dont even want to pick Jones with the panthers 2nd rounder.   

[Shocker]

Mac Jones really doesn’t need endorsements from anyone right now.  He is going top 15 in this draft without question.  If its the right organization he will be better off than anyone the Jets or Jags choose.

I am going to keep mentioning too that Tua will be a damn good QB in this league.  I am far from moving away from that happening.

Edited March 8, 2021 by Shocker

[Catsfan69]

6 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I didnt say Im for Jones, its the opposite. Hes just bring good points about Jones, Tua was the apple of many teams eye. Im 152% Lance and dont even want to pick Jones with the panthers 2nd rounder.   

Gotcha. 

Anyone that can't figure out he can't throw deep, deep outs and opposite hash throws after watching that video I posted then I don't know what to tell them. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Yes--he will need a good running game, weapons on the outside, a TE, and good OL.   I am looking at Jones as a possibility if the top 4 go top 7 and we don't bring in Watson.

I still think we get Watson, however.  (Reason?  Why would the Jets give up 2 first rounders and the rights to Wilson to get Watson?  Miami is not going to dump Tua yet--they just drafted him, and he was coming off surgery and had no preseason.) The Falcons will bring in a young QB to play behind Ryan for a season or so (I am thinking Mond in round 2) and the Lions (Goff) and Eagles (Hurt) are not going to get into the bidding.  So why trade for Watson?  Those teams will likely trade back.  Just my theory).

This is certainly possible. If I'm the Jets and I'm sold on Wilson, I'm probably out of the Watson race. I have no idea what Miami is going to do. I get the feeling that there's a deep divide in that organization with one contingent wanting to stick with Tua and one contingent wanting to cut bait and move on. Admittedly, I have nothing but a hunch to base that on.

[Basbear]

3 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Gotcha. 

Anyone that can't figure out he can't throw deep, deep outs and opposite hash throws after watching that video I posted then I don't know what to tell them. 

Before that video, people where trying to compare Jones and Burrow, FULL stop for the reasons you listed. 

[Shocker]

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is certainly possible. If I'm the Jets and I'm sold on Wilson, I'm probably out of the Watson race. I have no idea what Miami is going to do. I get the feeling that there's a deep divide in that organization with one contingent wanting to stick with Tua and one contingent wanting to cut bait and move on. Admittedly, I have nothing but a hunch to base that on.

Its pretty clear you don’t believe in Tua...that is totally fine but Miami has a great future especially if he works out.  They could move down and probably grab multiple picks and still get an amazing WR or other position.  Going QB in this draft feels really stupid.

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Its pretty clear you don’t believe in Tua...that is totally fine but Miami has a great future especially if he works out.  They could move down and probably grab multiple picks and still get an amazing WR or other position.  Going QB in this draft feels really stupid.

Yeah I don't see Miami going with another QB either. I'm not sold on Tua myself but I also think he needs more time, and they knew it would be multiple seasons to truly evaluate him when they drafted him. Given QBs will probably go 1 and 2 they'll have the pick of incredible players, or they can trade back to a qb hungry team like us. 

[LinvilleGorge]

31 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Its pretty clear you don’t believe in Tua...that is totally fine but Miami has a great future especially if he works out.  They could move down and probably grab multiple picks and still get an amazing WR or other position.  Going QB in this draft feels really stupid.

If he's as good as he's going to get physically after that injury he's not going to be good enough.