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Kiper Mock 2.0: Mac Jones to Panthers at #8.


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21 minutes ago, top dawg said:

So, we skip Trey Lance in favor of Mac Jones, who, in Keyshawn's words, has "cement in his shoes"?

Nah!

This pick just seems to go against everything that Rhule believes in as a coach. He was brought in bc he DEVELOPS RAW TALENT. That’s the the entire premise of his $60 million contract. So at the most important position on the field...he’s going to abandon that entire mentality and draft a guy who is basically a finished product athletically? Like do we really see growth potential in Mac Jones? Bc that is what Rhule is looking for...

 

There is no way we’re taking Jones 8th. We may take Jones in the 2nd if all the QBs are gone and we trade out of the pick or draft a player like Slater to anchor the line. But he isn’t going 8th. Not to the Panthers anyway..

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If we take Mac Jones at #8 it's over. We're gonna flail around for 2-3 more years before the next blow up and complete rebuild with an entire new staff.

That's a bit dramatic. We could take Lance at 8 and he could flop. As long as we hit on other picks, we'll be okay. It's not what we want, obviously, but teams miss far more than they hit on first round picks. Just look at the history. Especially with QBs.

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1 minute ago, Pup McBarky said:

That's a bit dramatic. We could take Lance at 8 and he could flop. As long as we hit on other picks, we'll be okay. It's not what we want, obviously, but teams miss far more than they hit on first round picks. Just look at the history. Especially with QBs.

At least Lance has the talent to justify the pick. Jones just doesn't. We can hit on other picks and it still won't be okay unless one of those other picks is a QB. You can't compete for championships in today's NFL with a JAG QB.

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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

At least Lance has the talent to justify the pick. Jones just doesn't. We can hit on other picks and it still won't be okay unless one of those other picks is a QB. You can't compete for championships in today's NFL with a JAG QB.

Tepper knows. If we miss on a QB, we'll work a trade somehow.

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13 minutes ago, unicar15 said:

This pick just seems to go against everything that Rhule believes in as a coach. He was brought in bc he DEVELOPS RAW TALENT. That’s the the entire premise of his $60 million contract. So at the most important position on the field...he’s going to abandon that entire mentality and draft a guy who is basically a finished product athletically? Like do we really see growth potential in Mac Jones? Bc that is what Rhule is looking for...

 

There is no way we’re taking Jones 8th. We may take Jones in the 2nd if all the QBs are gone and we trade out of the pick or draft a player like Slater to anchor the line. But he isn’t going 8th. Not to the Panthers anyway..

Again, the thing that kind of bothers me about this is, I 100% believe in Rhule's ability to develop talent and get the most out of his team.  He showed it this season...  at every position BUT QB.  And that's what scares me.  Because he had a say in that decision, and he co-signed handing Teddy the keys and leaving him at the wheel.  I really hope he's not blind to the fact that you need some kind of talent at QB and that it can't be cultivated to chicken salad from chicken poo like the other positions on the roster...  Teddy should've been enough to show him that.  I really hope this projection and increasingly hot connection is a smokescreen and playing off the rumors from the senior bowl and recruiting interest.

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