Year Two, or Year One?

[Icege]

Year 1

Sounds like what should have been Year 0 was "Marty retooling" which ultimately led to his undoing (and gave Rhule an excuse)

No scapegoats now but Rhule himself. Whomever is starting Week 1 is on him.

My expectations are more geared towards year 2. They had an entire offseason to draft defensive pieces (+ a season to develop them) along with TWO shots at QB between now and then.

Gonna support whomever gets trotted out as always, but am also oddly okay with this being a "Fitterer blows everything up" season

Edited February 20, 2021 by Icege

[Khyber53]

This is year 2. We rebuilt a pretty fair amount last season and it showed in the final outcome.

If Rhule agrees this is year 2, then we're going someplace. If Rhule says this is year one because the Hurney year doesn't count, then we may never go anywhere and there may always be an excuse.

I've long said Rhule's history shows massive improvement by year 3 in his programs and I think we'll see that here. Now, if he starts moving the starting line, then he's signaling he may not be up to the task.

2021 is going to tell us a lot about Rhule and our future. Sure hope he works things out. Eight or nine wins is a minimum to keep my belief in the guy.

[bigskypanthersguy]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

 

I've long said Rhule's history shows massive improvement by year 3 in his programs and I think we'll see that here. Now, if he starts moving the starting line, then he's signaling he may not be up to the task.

2021 is going to tell us a lot about Rhule and our future. Sure hope he works things out. Eight or nine wins is a minimum to keep my belief in the guy.

Agreed.

Rhule getting such a long contract was eye-opening and he has a lot to prove.  Knowing that he tends to be mercurial is fine with me provided it pans out.  He has to earn my trust though, and frankly I need to be convinced about Fitterer and Tepper too.

All involved are new at their positions and this much change so soon could be great and it could blow up in our face.  I sincerely hope it works out.

[Mr. Scot]

It may be year two of Rhule, but only year one of Rhule / Fitterer.

Yes, there were moves made last year that helped us. Unfortunately, there were also moves that set us back (Bridgewater being a big one).

Given that knowledge, I think if you do want to count last year the most that you can call it is 1.5, and that's probably getting a tad silly.

So for me, yeah this is year one because we didn't have the full braintrust last year.

And while we still don't know everything yet, my gut feeling tells me this is the most brains we've had in a long time.

[Sgt Schultz]

I am on the year 1.1 train of thought here (even sillier than 1.5).

Yes, on the calendar it is year two.  But, most new regimes are hired AFTER the cratering year.  Rivera took over at the bottom of the fall, not during the fall.  He didn't have to ride the team into the ground before the rebuild.

But, what happened to the roster during Fox's last year more or less happened last year.  The great purge happened under Rhule, not Rivera or an interim. 

Then add to the picture there was a lot of things that simply could not happen because of the pandemic response, and it is hard to call 2020 a "full year."

The added .1 (or maybe it is around .25) is from our draft last year and a stray signing or two.  It was too well orchestrated to not consider it at all in this equation.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I am on the year 1.1 train of thought here (even sillier than 1.5).

Yes, on the calendar it is year two.  But, most new regimes are hired AFTER the cratering year.  Rivera took over at the bottom of the fall, not during the fall.  He didn't have to ride the team into the ground before the rebuild.

But, what happened to the roster during Fox's last year more or less happened last year.  The great purge happened under Rhule, not Rivera or an interim. 

Then add to the picture there was a lot of things that simply could not happen because of the pandemic response, and it is hard to call 2020 a "full year."

The added .1 (or maybe it is around .25) is from our draft last year and a stray signing or two.  It was too well orchestrated to not consider it at all in this equation.

I was told there would be no math

[Harbingers]

So last year wasn't rebuilding time but this year is? Wtf? Waste of a year. Also if we are "Rebuilding" There's no way Watson is coming here and we shouldn't be giving up a poo ton of picks. This don't make no sense.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

So last year wasn't rebuilding time but this year is? Wtf? Waste of a year. Also if we are "Rebuilding" There's no way Watson is coming here and we shouldn't be giving up a poo ton of picks. This don't make no sense.

Keeping Marty for another year set us back.

It was dumb, and Tepper at least seems to get that.

[Harbingers]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Keeping Marty for another year set us back.

It was dumb, and Tepper at least seems to get that.

I hope he does. It was pretty obvious last offseason this exact situation would happen. I have no idea why he didn't cut hurney lose then.

[Sgt Schultz]

55 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

So last year wasn't rebuilding time but this year is? Wtf? Waste of a year. Also if we are "Rebuilding" There's no way Watson is coming here and we shouldn't be giving up a poo ton of picks. This don't make no sense.

You may be correct in that conclusion.  Whatever we gained last year in terms of talent could be given up in that or a similar deal and the "rebuild clock" reset.

Getting Watson is a value proposition, like any other decision, complete with opportunity costs and unintended consequences.  Just because people don't recognize that does not make it less so.  Just because they try to shout down people who point that out also does not make it less so.

I'm certainly not opposed to putting him in a Panther uniform.  What I don't want to do is achieve that in a manner that has us describing our offensive philosophy with "we have Deshaun Watson" as a result.  We did that with Cam, only this time instead of pure stupidity it would be pure inability because we handcuffed ourselves.  Regardless of why, not much gets added to the trophy case that way.

What is going in our favor is that it is totally in character for the Texans to play this hand into a complete washout for them.  That is assuming they decide to play it at all.

[Shotgun]

Year 1 or 2? We're in year 5 or 6 of a long slow unbuild rebuild nobuild...whatever you want to call it. 

[MechaZain]

We’re getting into the weeds a bit here. You can say technically two different GMs so it’s two different approaches but from Tepper/the teams perspective we made sweeping changes to the roster last year and we’re continuing to next year. There’s just a new person in charge of making the moves. It doesn’t have to be a complete fire sale to qualify.

Hell, I think losing Greg, Luke, and Cam made it a rebuild by default, but you can call next season a second rebuild if that makes you feel better.

Edited February 20, 2021 by MechaZain