Year Two, or Year One?

[Fox007]

It's year one. With Hurney on the team in any way there was no rebuild. You can't call it rebuilding when your builder is using cards and some sand.

This is year fuging one lol ffs this team.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Fox007

[LinvilleGorge]

It's year two unless Rhule was trying to get Tepper to fire Marty last year and it was Tepper's call to keep him. I just hope Tepper can learn and adapt because unfortunately you can't fire owners. Any Cowboys or WFT fan know this well.

[SmartyHurney3]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Matt Rhule is in his second year as head coach, but year one happened with Marty Hurney as GM. Reports said that Marty believed the team could win now rather than just rebuild, which possibly may have led to some of the reported clash between Marty and Rhule.

So with a new GM that shares Rhule's vision now in place, would it be more correct to consider this season year two of the rebuild, or is it really year one?

Oh that's interesting, because there's tons of videos with Rhule saying the team is built to compete now. I'm gonna need a source on the "reports" that Marty believed the team could win now.

Friendly reminder that Hurney wanted the best QB in the draft last year, and wanted to trade up, but Rhule let his OC get his guy.

[pantherj]

Rhule has 6 more seasons to produce a winning team. That is the ultimate schedule for this team. Rhule inexplicably ruined his first season by bringing in Teddy, which in turn ruined our draft position. The only point of the first season should have been to clear dead cap, allow the younger players to gain experience, and lose enough to draft our future QB with confidence. Swing and a miss. We would be drafting Lawrence had we let Grier start and stayed away from Teddy imo.

We're now in QB limbo. We don't have a high enough pick to beat out the Jets for Watson if the Texans trade him (they won't), and the best QB we can hope to draft (barring a trade up) is Trey Lance. Well Trey is a boom or bust risky pick. No idea how he will pan out.

This is what I was saying as our Panthers made the mistake. You DO NOT want to be a middle of the pack team with a middle of the pack or lesser QB. It puts your team in 8-8 limbo. You can't draft the best prospects at QB, and you can't move up to become a top tier team because your QB isn't good enough. LIMBO. We are either going to hit on Trey Lance, or we're going to be a limbo team for the remainder of Rhule's contract imo. We will win too many games next season to draft high enough for a top QB, and each subsequent season will push us a bit down the draft board. Then we have to hope for a "magic season" when the roster is so good that it doesn't matter that we have a mediocre QB. That usually doesn't pan out. Welcome to limbo unless Trey Lance becomes a badass, or we pull off a miracle.

Edited February 20, 2021 by pantherj

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, SmartyHurney3 said:

Oh that's interesting, because there's tons of videos with Rhule saying the team is built to compete now. I'm gonna need a source on the "reports" that Marty believed the team could win now.

Friendly reminder that Hurney wanted the best QB in the draft last year, and wanted to trade up, but Rhule let his OC get his guy.

You know, it's pretty stupid to keep this schtick with Marty already fired.

You can't come up with something new?

[Aussie Tank]

Or maybe he’s saving a bit of face and his play didn’t cut it after we did a closer review of the season 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

A good number of people on here called last year a half-assed effort at rebuilding and complained that we didn't go all in.

Did they have a point?

One thing I'd say is if Rhule and Fitterer really do see this as rebuilding time, that would make the answer to the question of whether Tepper was transitioning from "patience" to "win now" a no.

A different perspective maybe. What if last season was “win now” to see which players would respond and which wouldn’t. Can’t really determine that if guys think it’s a rebuilding year. Now he knows who played and who half assed it, and can really start to build his team around the guys he wants to keep as an integral part of the team moving forward. 

[Mr. Scot]

15 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

A different perspective maybe. What if last season was “win now” to see which players would respond and which wouldn’t. Can’t really determine that if guys think it’s a rebuilding year. Now he knows who played and who half assed it, and can really start to build his team around the guys he wants to keep as an integral part of the team moving forward. 

I think last year was more a case of "win now to save Marty's ass".

[45catfan]

It's year two.  The core of the defense is in place and the systems are already established.  Get solid OL line play and plug a few holes via the draft and FA, this team is easily an 8-8 team.  You don't sniff .500 in year one of a rebuild.

[MechaZain]

Last year was to rebuild the winning culture

[Little Goody Two Shoes]

This is interesting in the same way as when you throw up and think, 'what the hell did I eat'. Did Marty really screw us over one last time by delaying our rebuild by a year?

[Jon Snow]

27 minutes ago, Little Goody Two Shoes said:

This is interesting in the same way as when you throw up and think, 'what the hell did I eat'. Did Marty really screw us over one last time by delaying our rebuild by a year?

Pretty much.  It appears Tepper is giving Rhule a Mulligan on last seasons decisions.  But now that he's hired him a GM that has to be better than Marty by default the training wheels are off.

[Ricky Spanish]

Well this just makes me more angry that we kept Hurney another year too long. 

Granted I've been drinking. But still. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

This is the right move