Broncos bow out of race for Watson.

[BurnNChinn]

54 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

I’ve never once questioned are ability to trade for him. I have questioned his desire to want to play here. He has a no trade clause. He’s not going anywhere he doesn’t want to play. A lot of dominos need to fall before he even has to consider playing here. Hence him still on the Texans roster. You think it’s coincidence that Wentz and Stafford are already gone and he isn’t? It’s because they don’t want to trade him. And when that time comes that conversation doesn’t start with us. A few teams have to say no first. 

Yeah ok, just wait and see.

[bythenbrs]

1 hour ago, joemac said:

No way, as I've said previously, David Tepper is my Dad and I have never met you before.

Well, I'm David's accountant and he consults with me before he talks to any of you.  Spreadsheets over ho's and family.

[BurnNChinn]

50 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Oh I 100% don’t think he wants to play in Carolina if you want me to say that again. 
 

But the caveat there is if it comes down to Houston or Carolina. 
 

Many here thinks that’s the case just because David Newton said so and people jumped to it for clicks. 

Lmao more than just David Newton said it, would agree with ya there if that was true. But when you have like 50 different reports from different people well has to be some legs to it.

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

That was reported weeks ago. I wouldn't make an overly big deal about it, but I wouldn't discount it either. It makes a lot of sense. He has ties relatively close to Charlotte, and is interested in "coming home."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/Article/Deshaun-Watson-Carolina-Panthers-Houston-Texans-trade-159762257/Amp/

Thanks.  Not sure how I missed that.   

[kungfoodude]

16 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Where is it reported he is considering the panthers

Everything being reported is pretty rumor, second, third, fourth, eighth, ninth handed or just speculation. 

I don't doubt there are some back channel communications going on but remember it isn't like anyone can publicly court Watson, that is tampering. 

[onmyown]

30 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am confused about what proof that his article offers about us not being able to compete.

That article is just an article. But it insinuates the Dolphins are interested.

The common sense of not being able to compete comes from multiple angles:

 1. #3 in the draft so even if Texans don’t want Tua they can draft a qb. Not as easily doable with #8.
 

2. They have 2 firsts and 2 seconds. The draft capital that could be offered is obviously more by a large margin. Which leads me to...

3. They’re a 10-6 team and legitimately up and coming. QB is one of their few holes. It just makes sense. Even without their picks, if you plug in Watson they’d have a team that could easily rival the Bills and take the division. While I think Saleh is going to be great, that sentiment isn’t remotely true for the Jets or the Panthers.

4. Watson will actually play for a competitor AND be close to home.

5. And more of a side note - the Dolphins are known for diversity and minority hirings, clearly a plus for Watson.

6. Cap. Sure their cap spending is about on par with the Panthers. Well except their actually paying contributing players and have a whopping 500k dead money vs. the Panthers 23 million (and that is an old figure it’s much higher now). What does that mean? Probably that the Dolphins don’t really need a long term plan...they’re already almost there. Watson would get it done. On the other side - the Panthers could only offer what could and hopefully will be 2-3 years in the future because for this year and next they’re strapped. Will Watson be ok waiting? Not sure about that.

7. Oline. Sure the Dolphins ranked as one of the worst. But why? Because they heavily invested in it. High draft pick rookies. And although not a huge feat they have improved by doing so. That oline’s trajectory is going up and will bloom. Plus they actually are showing with the new regimen it’s a priority. The Panthers well...they’re struggling to sign their one good player due to cap, so they’ll tag him. They literally have no answers for all the other positions and depth. If they finally take the oline seriously they can hope to be where the Dolphins are in two years - high investment, and improvement in long term answers.

So yea I’m trying to find an angle we could compete with the Dolphins. Do you have one? Clemson maybe? We have his QB coach? We have better weapons...but not the cap to resign them. That’s a short list.

Ultimately the Panthers can only offer Watson a vision and Watson will have to be ok with that.
 

The Dolphins can offer evidence their vision is coming into fruition, and QB is the primary missing peice of the puzzle.

So yea. We can’t compete. We really can’t compete with the Jets either but maybe in the sense that they too will only have a vision to offer.

Edited February 19, 2021 by onmyown

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Everything being reported is pretty rumor, second, third, fourth, eighth, ninth handed or just speculation. 

I don't doubt there are some back channel communications going on but remember it isn't like anyone can publicly court Watson, that is tampering. 

Aaron Wilson's "quarterback limbo" article had some info on teams that he was interested in.

[top dawg]

9 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

Lmao more than just David Newton said it, would agree with ya there if that was true. But when you have like 50 different reports from different people well has to be some legs to it.

Exactly. There was some piece a few days ago trying to intimate that the only reason any of this had legs was due to Newton. I basically told the author that his assumption was B.S. I told him, if anything, the La Canfora article was the real fuel behind the Panthers-Watson story's national energy.

Edited February 19, 2021 by top dawg

[Ivan The Awesome]

2 hours ago, TreadmillTrackstar said:

They should have anyhow. They were handed a super bowl by some refs so screw them.

You forgot to add "and the inexcusable, ignorant, inability to adjust during half time to a team that has clearly figured you out by Rivera and Shula.", besides the refs.

[onmyown]

30 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You're discounting our young talented players who are extremely compelling as trade capital, and you're totally discounting Watson's wishes in the matter. And, honestly, both the Jets and the Dolphins would have to be willing to give up their picks (and Houston would have to be interested in Tua or Darnold).

No sorry, the Dolphins have a much better argument. See my post above. I’m not discounting what we have, only putting it in perspective and comparison. ‘Talented’ players. If they’re compelling as trade capital that means they’re NOT compelling for Watson only to the Texans.

The Texans do not have to be interested in Darnold or Tua because they’d likely get the 2 or 3 pick in the draft for a new QB. Not so with 8. That is much more appealing for a franchise that *should* be rebuilding.

You guys can keep fooling yourselves saying the Panthers have just as much to offer as the Jets or Dolphins but if you’re considering the circumstances of the no trade clause and that both the Texans AND Watson will have to be satisfied, the Panthers are not remotely in discussion with those two teams unless Watson himself has a urning desire to only play for the Panthers no matter the cost which I find laughable.

Edited February 19, 2021 by onmyown

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, onmyown said:

That article is just an article. But it insinuates the Dolphins are interested.

The common sense of not being able to compete comes from multiple angles:

 1. #3 in the draft so even if Texans don’t want Tua they can draft a qb. Not as easily doable with #8.
 

2. They have 2 firsts and 2 seconds. The draft capital that could be offered is obviously more by a large margin. Which leads me to

3. They’re a 10-6 team and legitimately up and coming. QB is one of their few holes. It just makes sense. Even without their picks, if you plug in Watson they’d have a team that could easily rival the Bills and take the division. While I think Saleh is going to be great, that sentiment isn’t remotely true for the Jets.

4. Watson will actually play for a competitor AND be close to home.

5. And more of a side note - the Dolphins are known for diversity and minority hirings, clearly a plus for Watson.

6. Cap. Sure their cap spending is about on par with the Panthers. Well except their actually paying contributing players and have a whopping 500k dead money vs. the Panthers 23 million (and that is an old figure it’s much higher now). What does that mean? Probably that the Dolphins don’t really need a long term plan...they’re already almost there. Watson would get it done. On the other side - the Panthers could only offer what could and hopefully will be 2-3 years in the future because for this year and next they’re strapped. Will Watson be ok waiting? Not sure about that.

7. Oline. Sure the Dolphins ranked as one of the worst. But why? Because they heavily invested in it. High draft pick rookies. And although not a huge feat they have improved by doing so. That oline’s trajectory is going up and will bloom. Plus they actually are showing with the new regimen it’s a priority. The Panthers well...they’re struggling to sign their one good player due to cap, so they’ll tag him. They literally have no answers for all the other positions and depth. If they finally take the oline seriously they can hope to be where the Dolphins are in two years - high investment, and improvement in long term answers.

So yea I’m trying to find an angle we could compete with the Dolphins. Do you have one? Clemson maybe? We have his QB coach? We have better weapons...but not the cap to resign them. That’s a short list.

Ultimately the Panthers can only offer Watson a vision and Watson will have to be ok with that.
 

The Dolphins can offer evidence their vision is coming into fruition, and QB is the primary missing peice of the puzzle.

So yea. We can’t compete. We really can’t compete with the Jets either but maybe in the sense that they too will only have a vision to offer.

I agree that Miami makes the most sense, although I would caution that you might want to check the map on the "close to home." The distance between Gainesville, GA and Houston/Miami is about +2 hrs in the favor of Miami. That doesn't fit with that specific point.

I imagine it will ultimately come down to basically two factors, where Watson is willing to go and what is offered. If Watson absolutely does or doesn't want to go to "X" teams, they will or won't be in it. So whatever teams he is willing to accept being traded to, then it comes down to the bidding war. Maybe we make a bigger offer than the other suitors, maybe not?

We probably won't know until well after the trade is completed who bid what.

Edited February 19, 2021 by kungfoodude

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Aaron Wilson's "quarterback limbo" article had some info on teams that he was interested in.

Yeah but that is also unlikely to be from his mouth. More likely someone he knows, his agent, etc, etc. 

I don't doubt that there is definitely some truth to at least some of the rumors but there is also likely a bunch of BS floating around, as well. 

[AceBoogie]

43 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You didn't explain anything to me I told people that Stafford wasn't coming here from the beginning because he was not interested in a rebuild at all. I follow this stuff.

As for Watson, if he decides that he doesn't want to go to the Jets (which is very possible) because he believes that his contract would set them back and render them pretty useless for several years, then he won't go to the Jets. If in fact he is considering the Panthers (as has been reported), we have a legitimate shot at landing him. We have the capital, and we have the resources to placate the Texans, and we have DW's ear (so to speak), so I don't know what your theory is. At this point, we are a legit contender for his services, if he decides that he's never playing for the Texans again.

 

You won’t find a single legitimate report saying he’s considering the panthers. Not this early. 

[AceBoogie]

27 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

Yeah ok, just wait and see.

If he comes here I’ll delete my account and pay you $100.