Panthers start making cuts

[MHS831]

47 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I may need a throat punch, cause part of me thinks theres a chance at a KK return...Hes got close to 20 milion in base salary for 2021. Change that into a signing bonus and add 4 years with minimum salary. KK would return for 6 million cap number in 2021. Panthers do need a running mate for Brown. With injuries and such, 6 million per seems fair. 0% chance happening, could cut him after 2 years with little issues tho. I may also need a baseball bat to the head too....

Bold statement, but creative thinking.

[LinvilleGorge]

59 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I may need a throat punch, cause part of me thinks theres a chance at a KK return...Hes got close to 20 milion in base salary for 2021. Change that into a signing bonus and add 4 years with minimum salary. KK would return for 6 million cap number in 2021. Panthers do need a running mate for Brown. With injuries and such, 6 million per seems fair. 0% chance happening, could cut him after 2 years with little issues tho. I may also need a baseball bat to the head too....

Please stop, Marty.

[TheSpecialJuan]

2 hours ago, Basbear said:

I may need a throat punch, cause part of me thinks theres a chance at a KK return...Hes got close to 20 milion in base salary for 2021. Change that into a signing bonus and add 4 years with minimum salary. KK would return for 6 million cap number in 2021. Panthers do need a running mate for Brown. With injuries and such, 6 million per seems fair. 0% chance happening, could cut him after 2 years with little issues tho. I may also need a baseball bat to the head too....

no way 

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, Basbear said:

I may need a throat punch, cause part of me thinks theres a chance at a KK return...Hes got close to 20 milion in base salary for 2021. Change that into a signing bonus and add 4 years with minimum salary. KK would return for 6 million cap number in 2021. Panthers do need a running mate for Brown. With injuries and such, 6 million per seems fair. 0% chance happening, could cut him after 2 years with little issues tho. I may also need a baseball bat to the head too....

Nah. He is done. There is no reason to keep him around. Kerr was a fine replacement.

[45catfan]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Nah. He is done. There is no reason to keep him around. Kerr was a fine replacement.

Yup, and use the cap savings from dumping KK to extend Kerr (final year).  That way we have Brown, Roy and Kerr under wraps for the next few years.  Either we attempt to turn Obada into a full-time 3-tech and/or draft a 3-tech...at any rate, the interior DL will be set for the foreseeable future.

Edited February 15, 2021 by 45catfan

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Yup, and use the cap savings from dumping KK to extend Kerr (final year).  That way we have Brown, Roy and Kerr under wraps for the next few years.  Either we attempt to turn Obada into a full-time 3-tech and/or draft a 3-tech...at any rate, the interior DL will be set for the foreseeable future.

Nah. We need to draft a guy still. Roy is a backup, Kerr is a journeyman that will need to get replaced eventually. Still are gonna need 2-3 DT's in the next two offseasons.

[45catfan]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Nah. We need to draft a guy still. Roy is a backup, Kerr is a journeyman that will need to get replaced eventually. Still are gonna need 2-3 DT's in the next two offseasons.

Kerr graded out very highly this past season when healthy.  Injuries/Covid curtailed what could have been a really nice year overall.  We could extend him now, say 2-years, based off his past deal rather than him breaking out in 'contract year play' and then potentially being too pricey when he hits FA.  His current contract is a $1.5M average.  I'd be willing to extend him at that price now, especially after the promise he showed.

We generally only keep 4 DTs on the 53 man roster along with a DE that is able to move inside.  We currently have that with Efe.  I agree we need a starting 3-tech to replace KK, but really if we keep Kerr and Efe in the fold, that's all the team really is lacking.

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Kerr graded out very highly this past season when healthy.  Injuries/Covid curtailed what could have been a really nice year overall.  We could extend him now, say 2-years, based off his past deal rather than him breaking out in 'contract year play' and then potentially being too pricey when he hits FA.  His current contract is a $1.5M average.  I'd be willing to extend him at that price now, especially after the promise he showed.

We generally only keep 4 DTs on the 53 man roster along with a DE that is able to move inside.  We currently have that with Efe.  I agree we need a starting 3-tech to replace KK, but really if we keep Kerr and Efe in the fold, that's all the team really is lacking.

I like Kerr but he is also 30 years old. I have no issue keeping him around be we still need to draft for the future.

[45catfan]

Designating Paradis and Short as post June 1 cuts along ditching Weatherly & Palardy frees up nearly $30M in cap space.  Add that to the $12M in current cap space and we are looking at roughly $42M heading into FA.  That's not too shabby.  If Fitts spends wisely, we can finally dig out from the mess Hurney kept us in. 

 

[musicman]

What if KK restructured and took a big pay cut knowing he may not get a decent new deal from someone else? He's a great guy (locker room and community presence) and 2018 was not his fault (Washington was the DC). He's got some thread left as he's rested the last 2 years. 

[Panthera onca]

I agree with Bugs, no way you keep KK around. He is done.

[Anybodyhome]

17 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

There is no reason to keep him around. Kerr was a fine replacement.

Wow, is that really where the bar is set now?

[Peon Awesome]

6 hours ago, musicman said:

What if KK restructured and took a big pay cut knowing he may not get a decent new deal from someone else? He's a great guy (locker room and community presence) and 2018 was not his fault (Washington was the DC). He's got some thread left as he's rested the last 2 years. 

I'm not a cap guru but if it is possible to rewrite all of Short's 2021 salary including roster and workout bonuses into a league minimum salary (roughly $1 million rather than $14.5 million), I would offer him that. It would drop his 2021 cap hit to about $7.5 million, saving us +$13 million this year and then we're left with the roughly $4.5 million of dead cap in 2022 that was part of the restructure. It would be a way to free up even more cap this year without waiting until June and gives you a former pro bowl DT to at minimum mentor the young guys and if he can stay healthy, get some snaps at a position which we need bodies. If he wants anything more, I would let him walk. Since he basically hasn't played in 2 years and most teams are cap strapped with the diminished 2021 cap, he probably wouldn't get much more as a free agent. He may decide he'd rather take the $1 million, rather than uproot his whole life to make maybe a million more elsewhere. Either way, we have all the leverage.

[TheRumGone]

3 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

Wow, is that really where the bar is set now?

With kk yes. Injuries have ruined his ability to be dominant like he was. Kerr is solid. You need guys like him in the rotation.