Quit it with ripping Fox for clapping after a bad play...

[ed bell]

Then again, none of us are on that sideline, so who knows exactly what's being said behind those claps, no?

It's like the cryptic press conference answers Fox gives. Folks want a glimpse of what is really going on in the locker room, at practice and on the sidelines. Fox doesn't give that up.

[neverlosethefeeling]

To me, this post is condescending; it's awful arrogant to be so adamant that your opinion is right and everyone else's is wrong on an issue which revolves so much on a topic with so many variables, like psychology (I'm assuming you're not a Psych major? Neither was I).

There are different management styles, mine for a professional sports club would include encouraging players when they do something good, and letting them sort through their own issues when they screw up. I really don't think there's any redeeming value other than player loyalty (and that trait is very overrated for Ws and Ls) for encouraging players when they screw up, if they're really professionals they should be able to get over their own mistakes, and if they can't, I'm not sure they have the mental toughness to play in the NFL anyway.

The reason you sound arrogant telling everyone else they're wrong and you're right here is that there have been many successful coaches that were similar to John Fox in this regard (John Fox, Skinner for BC Hoops, Dean Smith, etc), and many successful coaches who applied an opposite strategy as well (Cowher, Lombardi, Bobby Knight in hoops, etc). I feel like i'm right, but I'm not going to say "Really guys, really" and "Some of you are out of touch" because I don't agree with Zod and some of the others in this thread.

I have played for both types of coaches. Both through high school, and now in college. And if you think there's no redeeming value in encouraging players after they screw up because, afterall, they're professionals and should be able to get over their own mistakes, then what is the redeeming value in berating them? And "letting them sort through their own issues" is not the coaching style that Bobby Knight, Cowher, OR Lombardi employed. Letting guys sort out their own issues would be, in my opinion, the worst thing to let someone do. What's that old addage, something to the effect of: "The minute I quit yelling at you is the minute you know I don't care?" That would be, in my opinion, devastating to a player's confidence to come off the field and not hear anything out of anyone. In that regard, yelling is better than not saying anything. But overall, the encouragement from the head coach and blessing out by the position coaches is ideal. No head coach has the time to address every thing that needs to be fixed, and players spend most of their time with the position coaches in practice anyways. The last thing a player wants is to feel like he's lost the support of the head coach.

Ps. I was saying "Really guys? Really?" at those who think that John Fox is actually congratulating his players after they mess up. That's just ridiculous. I'm okay with a little diversity of opinion. But an opinion that's based on logic and reason, not the opinion of those who don't know what they're talking about. Like those who think he's saying "Good Job."

[Nu Guns]

Yeah, he could do this...

yes

[neverlosethefeeling]

Then again, none of us are on that sideline, so who knows exactly what's being said behind those claps, no?

I would bet the kitchen sink that it's not "Great job, guys!" I'm sure it's more along the lines of "Let's pick it up!" or "Get it together!"

Anybody with half a brain knows that he's not actually congratulating them!

[ChucktownK]

Yes because we're ALL winners in today's pootopian society!!! Everybody give the Cleveland Browns a BIG round of applause! After all, they are still winners and deserve a hand so c'mon ladies and gentlemen. :prrr:

[Nu Guns]

I would bet the kitchen sink that it's not "Great job, guys!" I'm sure it's more along the lines of "Let's pick it up!" or "Get it together!"

Anybody with half a brain knows that he's not actually congratulating them!

Of coarse everyone knows he is doing it for encouragement.

But people would like to see him get pissed off and hold his players to the fire.

Jake throws a pick...."well I may get boos , but at least I still have my coach clapping for me" :mad2:

[neverlosethefeeling]

Of coarse everyone knows he is doing it for encouragement.

But people would like to see him get pissed off and hold his players to the fire.

Jake throws a pick...."well I may get boos , but at least I still have my coach clapping for me" :mad2:

No. You have your mother clapping for you. You have your coach showing support. Big difference.

[Mr. Scot]

Win, and you can do no wrong. Lose, and you can do no right :sosp:

Realistically, there's no set method - or personality - that determines a successful head coach.

Dick Vermeil is the kind of guy that could make you feel like you had the power and ability to beat anyone. Bill Parcells, on the other hand, could make you feel like your mother should have aborted you at six months and saved the world the discomfort of your presence.

John Madden coached much the same way he commented on games, always animated, always high energy. On the flipside, if you would have replaced Tom Landry with a mannequin of himself on the sideline, nobody would have noticed until the time came to leave the field and mannequin Tom didn't move.

Super Bowls have been won by quiet, steady guys like Tony Dungy and by emotional roller coasters like Bill Cowher. And so on, and so on...

Bottom Line: If the head coach is getting the job done, I don't care if they do cartwheels after the opposing team scores.

[neverlosethefeeling]

Voice of reason my bunghole.

Nice post.:thumbsup: