2021 Cap

[kungfoodude]

Just now, 45catfan said:

Huh?  I thought Hurney re-signed everything that had a pulse.

I don't believe that Moton had looked kindly upon the negotiation or lack thereof, according to the earlier in the season rumor mill. Not sure how accurate that is.

[davos]

This will be a very interesting offseason to see how Fit and staff sort out the cap and what contracts to offload (i.e. Short, Weatherly, etc.)

We can carve out some cash to work with. 

I'm honestly a bit excited to see what these guys do.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

I think we sign him outright.  If we tag him and he has a stellar season, it's only going to drive up his price.  Especially if we move him to the left side.  Currently, we can sign him to RT money or swing tackle money, both of which are cheaper than LT money.

Now we have a different coaching staff, but I have to say that there have been no suggestions throughout his 4 years here that they would move him to the left side--Last year, when we had crap at LT, Moton stayed on the right side.  When Rivera was here and we had terrible LTs starting, Moton stayed on the right side.  Maybe they are coaching him up, but you can't give him LT money and hope he plays there.  I am of the mindset that they tried him there in practice and preseason and he is a RT.   This is not my opinion--just reading the tea leaves-I would love to see him step into that role.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

They know they have the tag, so they wanted to wait to see what the cap would be, I suppose.

I am not sure. We also have to consider that they might still be evaluating the roster and making those decisions. Clearly they all know that QB is the big priority, which essentially tells us all we need to know about Teddy's status. 

[TheRumGone]

Weatherly was on that Blown Away show on Netflix for a glass blowing competition. It was random as hell.

[davos]

23 minutes ago, bababoey said:

Depending on where you look, Spotrac or OTC, we have somewhere around 6 or 7 million in cap room and they are using 175 million number.  So this will take us somewhere in the 12 - 15 million under the cap kind of area.  It's not great but it's not terrible either.  Hey at least we are not the Saints.

Something looks off w/ the contracts and dead money in spotrac.  OTC seems to be a bit more in line from what people have been saying about our books.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, MHS831 said:

Now we have a different coaching staff, but I have to say that there have been no suggestions throughout his 4 years here that they would move him to the left side--Last year, when we had crap at LT, Moton stayed on the right side.  When Rivera was here and we had terrible LTs starting, Moton stayed on the right side.  Maybe they are coaching him up, but you can't give him LT money and hope he plays there.  I am of the mindset that they tried him there in practice and preseason and he is a RT.   This is not my opinion--just reading the tea leaves-I would love to see him step into that role.

Yeah, we have had multiple coaching staffs not put him at LT while the LT rotation was sometimes couch free agents, so I think it is safe to assume we aren't going to see him at LT in a Panthers uniform. 

[45catfan]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I don't believe that Moton had looked kindly upon the negotiation or lack thereof, according to the earlier in the season rumor mill. Not sure how accurate that is.

Ah, so Moton was the rumored hesitant one, not Hurney.  Okay, that makes sense.  While Hurney may have been dragging his feet, if he were still here, I have little doubt that Moton would have gotten a new deal...probably over-priced to boot.

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Weatherly was on that Blown Away show on Netflix for a glass blowing competition. It was random as hell.

I would not do that for fear of the memes that might launch.  And since I started typing this, 3 extremely, very funny jokes were spun in my head.

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

I would not do that for fear of the memes that might launch.  And since I started typing this, 3 extremely, very funny jokes were spun in my head.

Yeah. Jokes aside it’s a really cool show. He was a guest judge and amateur glass blower himself lol

[MHS831]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, we have had multiple coaching staffs not put him at LT while the LT rotation was sometimes couch free agents, so I think it is safe to assume we aren't going to see him at LT in a Panthers uniform. 

It is a good tackle draft this year, so on day 2, I am nearly certain we will grab a LT--and hope he develops into the next Jordan Gross and not Greg Little.  

[45catfan]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, we have had multiple coaching staffs not put him at LT while the LT rotation was sometimes couch free agents, so I think it is safe to assume we aren't going to see him at LT in a Panthers uniform. 

Fair enough, I was merely suggesting it could be an option, but what is the benefit to tagging him and dragging out the negotiations?  We don't have the cap space to find better alternative in FA and if I'm getting an OT in the draft, it's a LT. To your point if Moton isn't cut out for LT, would it make sense to draft his replacement and let him walk in 2022?

Just thinking out loud here.

Edited February 8, 2021 by 45catfan

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Fair enough, I was merely suggestion it could be an option, but what is the benefit to tagging him and dragging out the negotiations?  We don't have the cap space to find better alternative in FA and if I'm getting an OT in the draft, it's a LT. To your point if Moton isn't cut out for LT, would it make sense to draft his replacement and let him walk in 2022?

Just thinking out loud here.

No, it is a legitimate point--last year, no camp, preseason, etc. and you have a LT veteran and a second year player--not the time to move him to the left.  However, if you plan on doing so after negotiations for a RT, etc.  I think he might get a look there, but pay him as a RT, and maybe add a LT bonus? 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Fair enough, I was merely suggestion it could be an option, but what is the benefit to tagging him and dragging out the negotiations?  We don't have the cap space to find better alternative in FA and if I'm getting an OT in the draft, it's a LT. To your point if Moton isn't cut out for LT, would it make sense to draft his replacement and let him walk in 2022?

Just thinking out loud here.

The advantage of tagging him is that you don't have to negotiate with the entire NFL to get him back if you can't get a deal hammered out before free agency opens. Remember our new GM will have a much more condensed timeline than the previous GM did to have to deal with Moton. 

Also the added benefit of at least returning 1-2 starters from this offensive line.