Tim Weaver & Panthers Wire ranks 8 QB trade targets (sans Watson)

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, Mills said:

Not a single panther fan or otherwise thought that Free agent Jake Delhomme would take us to a super bowl.

It can be done.

PJ Walker would have been a better Jake Delhomme story. Minshew has actually had success in the league.

That said, not sure he is worth trading for. He'd probably immediately be the best #2 QB we have had since Derek Anderson. 

[davos]

I do think only 1 trade should take precedent over the draft and that is Watson.  Then we go for our guy at the top of the draft in Wilson/Fields/Lance.  If that's a no go, then we have a prioritized trade list.  Then FA last resort.

[WarPanthers89]

They benched him because they didn’t want to win last season. He didn’t start many games at all because of this. I wouldn’t mind at all, it’s a low risk high reward situation with Minshew, but no way I would trade anything significant at all (4th round pick maybe). 

[FakePlasticTrees]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I don't get how you can call Tua or Hurts "awful" with such a small body of work. Seriously, if a coach (some of them HoFers) had taken your attitude or approach, then Peyton Manning, Troy Aikmen and John Elway would've been gone! Phil Simms and Eli Manning would've also been toast. I'm also old enough to have seen Terry Bradshaw and Dan Fouts in their primes. I was too young to remember their rookie seasons through an analytical or contextual prism, but they were both excellent QBs who had notably poor rookie seasons. Bradshaw was awful! But, as you know, these guys got into the Hall of Fame for a reason! They ultimately turned into great players! Tua and Hurts did some notable things in college with their arms and legs. Tua came into the league injured, so he had not only to deal with the normal transition, but rehabbing. 

I get that this is a now-now-now generation, but damn! Let the guys get in a full season or two of games before going all Cowherd or Bayless.

Just look at the numbers and the fact that each backed into and/or lost their starting job on THEIR current team and the discussion relates to TRADING for them. To say that they could be Peyton Manning etc. is nonsense. If you believe that then I have a few bridges I would love sell you. Why in the world would their current team trade them if this was remotely possible? Why in the world would their current teams be in the market for a new QB? I doubt that 2 of 3 (Minshew and Hurts) are even serviceable QBs and none are franchise QBs. The truth is Miami did not make the playoffs because they kept playing Tua who was clearly a weaker QB than the journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick. BTW, the players knew it too!

[mrcompletely11]

20 minutes ago, Mills said:

Not a single panther fan or otherwise thought that Free agent Jake Delhomme would take us to a super bowl.

It can be done.

Jake and going the FA route are abnormallys not the norm

[run-run-pass-punt]

I totally agree with these sentiments:

"Trading for Minshew is exactly the kind of low-risk, potential high-reward move that championship teams make."

I like Minshew enough to give him a shot, especially if he's really cheap to get. He's got a moxie, a "quality" about him that I find intriguing. I always like building a team with genuine competitors at every position.

I'd definitely support trying to add him as long as we're trying to remake the position group. He'd be an improvement, whether at backup or starter imho.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

Just look at the numbers and the fact that each backed into and/or lost their starting job on THEIR current team and the discussion relates to TRADING for them. To say that they could be Peyton Manning etc. is nonsense. If you believe that then I have a few bridges I would love sell you. Why in the world would their current team trade them if this was remotely possible? Why in the world would their current teams be in the market for a new QB? I doubt that 2 of 3 (Minshew and Hurts) are even serviceable QBs and none are franchise QBs. The truth is Miami did not make the playoffs because they kept playing Tua who was clearly a weaker QB than the journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick. BTW, the players knew it too!

Yeah, I heard those rumors too. If some players thought that, they were too pussified to come forward. Miami arguably mishandled Tua. They probably should have let him sit and learn for the entire year. Like I said, he was rehabbing from a significant injury--in the year of Covid no less. 

Furthermore, no one said they could be Peyton Manning, but to say that they are definitively "awful" is what's really "pure nonsense"! Don't let the reason I even brought Manning up (both actually) just purposefully sail over your head, and put words in my mouth.

[Ricky Spanish]

I'd take minshew over teddy in a heartbeat.

Cheaper, higher ceiling, and already thrown for more TDs in a season than teddy ever has in two years of limited work.

[Ricky Spanish]

Just now, Ricky Spanish said:

I'd take minshew over teddy in a heartbeat.

Cheaper, higher ceiling, and already thrown for more TDs in a season than teddy ever has in two years of limited work.

Also those shitting on minshew for "getting benched" last year, he tore a ligament in his thumb and tried to play through it. Then he got benched when they found out he was injured. That roster was tanking after week 4.

[Carl Spackler]

I’d rather spend less for Minshew than throw Teddy money or worse at Darnold, Trubisky or Wentz. 

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, top dawg said:

 Minshew might as well be on the block now, so I think he could become a reality if Fit and company decide to make it so.

I'd love to get Tua. There's plenty to work with, and I wouldn't let an underwhelming rookie tour deter me leastwise from obtaining him if the price is right. Hurts' season was even more underwhelming, but you have to remember that these guys are still young and more towards the raw side of the scale. There's still something to work with though, and the price may be right for the clay that is Hurts. He hasn't been in Philly long enough to mess him up (at least I don't think...even with Pederson's stunt). With that being said, I will leave you with Tim Weaver's own words in regards to Minshew, who apparently has some advanced analytical support backing up his starter's potential. He has to be a better fit than Teddy, right? From Panthers Wire:

 

...Minshew has started 20 games, compiling a 7-13 record. His NFL production has been respectable if not overwhelming or eye-catching. Minshew’s posted 37 touchdowns, 11 picks, 7.2 yards per attempt and an only-0average 93.1 passer rating.

Those stats can be deceiving, though. Jacksonville has fallen on hard times since their 2017 squad pushed the Patriots to the brink in the AFC Championship. They lack playmakers at too many positions to even count, which was the main reason they finished 1-15 this year and wound up with the first pick in the draft. Minshew has a strong rapport with the underrated D.J. Chark, but there’s no true WR1 on their roster. Truth is, he could have done a lot more with a receiver corps as stacked Carolina’s.

Some of the advanced stats suggest Minshew’s a diamond in the rough, too. According to Pro Football Focus, he had the NFL’s third-highest passer rating against the blitz this season. In addition to being sharp against pressure, Minshew is far more accurate than his completion percentage suggests and his on-target throw % was among league leaders all year.

On film, Minshew has a gorgeous deep ball and plays the position fearlessly, if a little reckless at times. His aggressive instincts are worth encouraging though, especially after the checkdown parade we just witnessed from Teddy Bridgewater.

Overall, his game is still a bit raw. However, in the right situation Minshew could have a shocking breakout type of season similar to the one Josh Allen just had in Buffalo.

Minshew would be a grand bargain from a contract perspective, as well. His total cap hits over the next two years come out to less than $2 million, which means Carolina could easily make room for him without having to move Bridgewater and his ill-conceived bridge QB deal. Even better, dealing for Minshew might only require one mid-round pick.

Verdict:

Admittedly, there are other young QBs on this list who are superior athletes with a higher ceiling. That said, Minshew has enticing qualities and has made enough flashy throws to convince us that he can be a well above-average starter in the NFL. With the right pieces around him, he might even be a Pro Bowler. Trading for Minshew is exactly the kind of low-risk, potential high-reward move that championship teams make. There may be no other player who could offer this franchise more overall value in a trade.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/lists/panthers-quarterback-trade-options-sam-darnold-jalen-hurts-gardner-minshew/

 

This reminds me of Jake Delhomme 2.0.  A raw, developing 24-year old QB on a terrible roster.  The TD-Int ratio is good, QB rating good, etc.   The thought has crossed my mind and I dismissed it, but he would bring swag and urgency to the game.  I am posting this before I read the other posts--I am sure , "HE SUCKS!" and stuff like that will emerge quickly and frequently.

However, if we take a Minshew, you do not get the growing pains a rookie brings, and you know how he performs in the worst conditions.

You can trade back.  You can re-sign Moton.  Washington, by the way, is interested in Minshew, and I am not sure about any of the other 30 team.

Lets say we take Minshew, cut Bridgewater post June 1.  We save money.  Trade back, acquire a first rounder for 2022.  In that case, if Minshew does not work out, move up in the 2022 draft for a QB.   If a QB falls to us in 2021, and let's say it is the 4th of the big 4 QBs--what would that trade be worth?  A TON.

I appreciate the perspective.  I love considering every angle--the best deal is the one that nobody is considering. 

Tua, by the way, makes RT the blind side.  Moton becomes a free agent in a month. 

[*FreeFua*]

16 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Also those shitting on minshew for "getting benched" last year, he tore a ligament in his thumb and tried to play through it. Then he got benched when they found out he was injured. That roster was tanking after week 4.

I don’t think people realize just how sh!t his situation in Jax was. Somehow he went 6-6 in games he started in 2019. 

Minshew showed more than enough his first two years to think that in a proper situation and cleaning up a few issues he can be successful. 
 

 

Edited February 7, 2021 by *FreeFua*

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

I don’t think people realize just how sh!t his situation in Jax was. Somehow he went 6-6 in games he started in 2019. 

Minshew showed more than enough his first two years to think that in a proper situation he can be successful. 
 

 

Good point.  He had zero there.   This is a refreshing take on him, and like I said, he reminds me of Jake a bit, and I do not really know why--the underdog, raw, and his swag--I see this.

[MHS831]

Minshaw in our offense could be special if we only had an OL.  Imagine developing an OL if we could trade back a bit from #8?

I am encouraged to see that so many of the Huddlers I consider to be intelligent are giving this idea a favorable nod.