Dark horse QB option: Derek Carr?

[kungfoodude]

12 minutes ago, BrianS said:

I would 100% ok with Derek Carr.  Look at this:

All the guy has done since entering the league is get better and better and better.  27 TD, 9 INT's, 4100 yards last year.  Almost 8 yards per attempt.  YES PLEASE.

He's relatively young, with another 5-7 years of prime football in him unless he gets abused.

Oh, and there's this:

Five game winning drives last year.  Hi there clutch QB.

Yeah, I just browsed his stats too.

I am warming up to this idea quite a bit. I don't think he is an elite QB but he might be really great in our offense.

[TheCasillas]

https://raiderramble.com/2021/01/14/raiders-qb-derek-carr-trade-49ers/

 

Interesting price tag in this article.

Edited February 2, 2021 by TheCasillas

[SetfreexX]

9 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Jacoby is a free agent

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/jacoby-brissett-19045/

Then pay him over TB if they can't do better than a TB quality QB. Doubt there is a huge market for him, could even see a return to NE as the main option aside from staying in IND. 

Just don't see them trading for TB. 

 

[onmyown]

For cheap? Not giving away aroun firsts? Sure. 
 

But he won’t won’t be cheap.

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, SetfreexX said:

Then pay him over TB if they can't do better than a TB quality QB. Doubt there is a huge market for him, could even see a return to NE as the main option aside from staying in IND. 

Just don't see them trading for TB. 

 

What I am stating is that TB's contract isnt as bad as this message board portrays. There is an out prior to the 3rd year, and we would have to pay out the majority of this year's value if we traded him. So any team taking on TB is going to get a cheap 1 year rental. 

[Riverboat Ron]

I could honestly see a swap of Derek Carr for Teddy Bridgewater and a 2nd rounder. Would give Gruden a backup option in Las Vegas to Mariota and remove the potential blow back if Mariota fails and Carr is sitting in the wings saying I told you so.

[Zod]

Reminds me of Jake Delhomme. Unfortunately, it takes more than that to win a Superbowl these days. 

[BrianS]

19 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I just browsed his stats too.

I am warming up to this idea quite a bit. I don't think he is an elite QB but he might be really great in our offense.

He's not elite at present, but his stats man . . . can you imagine what they'd look like if he was throwing to Moore, Anderson and CMC?  He's got the arm.  He takes good care of the ball, but isn't scared to push it downfield.  Mobile.

And that clutch factor.  He had nine opportunities to win a game for his team.  He did it five times.  All I'm saying is that if our QB had that record this past season, we would have been 10-6.

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, BrianS said:

He's not elite at present, but his stats man . . . can you imagine what they'd look like if he was throwing to Moore, Anderson and CMC?  He's got the arm.  He takes good care of the ball, but isn't scared to push it downfield.  Mobile.

And that clutch factor.  He had nine opportunities to win a game for his team.  He did it five times.  All I'm saying is that if our QB had that record this past season, we would have been 10-6.

Yeah, I don't watch a lot of Raiders(pretty rarely). I am trying to get an idea about how he works in their offense. I had a friend bring up him as "check down" guy. Trying to look at some advanced stats to see how he does throwing the ball deep.

Other than that. Yeah, I would be okay with Carr.

[MHS831]

9 minutes ago, BrianS said:

He's not elite at present, but his stats man . . . can you imagine what they'd look like if he was throwing to Moore, Anderson and CMC?  He's got the arm.  He takes good care of the ball, but isn't scared to push it downfield.  Mobile.

And that clutch factor.  He had nine opportunities to win a game for his team.  He did it five times.  All I'm saying is that if our QB had that record this past season, we would have been 10-6.

Not sure I like the idea, but here is what we know:  The Raiders are in red ink and he would be a $19m break from it..  We could swap first rounders with them and send them a third.  They get to move up into Lance area and have a third to help if they need to make another move up (Cincy or Philly) if necessary. 

They get $19m cap room, the positioning in the draft to draft another QB, and a third.  The Panthers would have the  12th overall pick, 2 NFL starting QBs. The Panthers could then trade back for a late first and late second--then picking late 1st (Tackle like Cosmi) and 2 seconds (MLB, CB) with no third. 

They ain't getting 2 first rounders for Carr.  Not happening.  Carr has 2 years left on his contract and no money is guaranteed.  I am not sold on this move even though it might appear to be robbing the Raiders.  Still, at $20m unguaranteed, we would have about $45m in cap room going toward Teddy and Derek.

Stats are great, but most Raider fans want him gone.  Mayock even said recently, (paraphrasing) "The best part about Carr's contract is that it has almost no guaranteed money."  Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
 

[Toomers]

35 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

What I am stating is that TB's contract isnt as bad as this message board portrays. There is an out prior to the 3rd year, and we would have to pay out the majority of this year's value if we traded him. So any team taking on TB is going to get a cheap 1 year rental. 

 What out? To keep him it will cost the Panthers 28M in cap space. 23 this year. 5 next.

  A team trading for him would have to pay him 17M to be on their team this year. Who is going to pay that for a backup QB who just showed his limited ability? If anything, statements like these pretending that contract isn’t a huge obstacle is something that has been falsely portrayed on here for awhile. 

[BrianS]

27 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I don't watch a lot of Raiders(pretty rarely). I am trying to get an idea about how he works in their offense. I had a friend bring up him as "check down" guy. Trying to look at some advanced stats to see how he does throwing the ball deep.

Other than that. Yeah, I would be okay with Carr.

I dunno man, check out the Chiefs game below.  Carr took his team down to take the lead with less than two minutes to go and the Raiders couldn't hang on.  He was definitely looking downfield first the whole game.  I know, it's just one game, but it's pretty representative.

 

 

[BurnNChinn]

1 hour ago, Zod said:

Reminds me of Jake Delhomme. Unfortunately, it takes more than that to win a Superbowl these days. 

Yeah well we ain’t even sniffing 6 wins we Turdy so rather have a chance at playoffs than nothing at all.

[kungfoodude]

16 minutes ago, BrianS said:

I dunno man, check out the Chiefs game below.  Carr took his team down to take the lead with less than two minutes to go and the Raiders couldn't hang on.  He was definitely looking downfield first the whole game.  I know, it's just one game, but it's pretty representative.

 

 

Watching Kelce and Waller makes me miss having a great TE.