How close did the Panthers come to getting Stafford? Dang close.

[mav1234]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

I could be wrong here. But I don’t think Hurney was the one that wanted Teddy as much as the coaching staff did. Hurney is gone because he’s trash and he’s always been trash. 

I believe Hurney was totally sold and it sounds like Brady was too.  But I don't think that Rhule was ever the one directing that signing (and Brady wouldn't have been for that matter).

I thought I read somewhere during the later half of the season it was really Hurney pushing hard for Teddy and Brady vouched for him but I may be wrong too.

I hope Rhule does not have full or most personnel control. That is always a recipe for disaster IMO.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

There’s plenty of white QBs you can name that are sorry and have received fairly decent size contracts. You can’t name any black QBs that are legit sorry and have been paid handsomely to sit on the bench. 

JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Teddy Bridgewater.

Those are just the ones I pulled out of my ass. I can keep going.

Look, you obviously have an issue with the past. Totally understand that. That isn't the present and future, however.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Roaring Riot confirmed that Marty was the one who pushed the hardest for us to sign him.

And of course, Marty set his contract terms.

And that is a very Hurney-esque contract, as well.

[AceBoogie]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Sooooo....most of those big backup contracts are for either starting spots or to compete to be a starter. That is how Foles and Glennon end up with big contracts riding the pine. 

Look, I gave you the data and you don't like it. That isn't something I can fix. 

Your data is wrong. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fanbuzz.com/nfl/highest-paid-backup-qbs/amp/

Find the black guy 

[AceBoogie]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, Teddy Bridgewater.

Those are just the ones I pulled out of my ass. I can keep going.

Look, you obviously have an issue with the past. Totally understand that. That isn't the present and future, however.

Guys that ain’t played this decade and Teddy which was my point in the beginning. 

[AceBoogie]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Roaring Riot confirmed that Marty was the one who pushed the hardest for us to sign him.

And of course, Marty set his contract terms.

So confirming that Marty is trash. 

[mav1234]

6 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

There’s plenty of white QBs you can name that are sorry and have received fairly decent size contracts. You can’t name any black QBs that are legit sorry and have been paid handsomely to sit on the bench. 

Without looking at the stats and just considering names and contracts I remember my gut feeling is your point is correct and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was.  I don't want to land this thread in a different forum with my thoughts on it but I suspect this is not a trend exclusive to football.....

But, I don't think Cam is a strong candidate to make that argument with because of the various other circumstances and injury concerns. 

Would be curious to see more numbers on this topic (tbh it reminds me of why the NFL has stated to strongly emphasize developing minority talent in coaching staffs too), but that might derail the thread. Perhaps a new thread ton consider.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

Your data is wrong. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fanbuzz.com/nfl/highest-paid-backup-qbs/amp/

Find the black guy 

Fun fact, YOUR data is wrong.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

This is how research works. Not a Google search of "Highest Paid Backup QB's."

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I believe Hurney was totally sold and it sounds like Brady was too.  But I don't think that Rhule was ever the one directing that signing (and Brady wouldn't have been for that matter).

I thought I read somewhere during the later half of the season it was really Hurney pushing hard for Teddy and Brady vouched for him but I may be wrong too.

I hope Rhule does not have full or most personnel control. That is always a recipe for disaster IMO.

Marty had a vested interest in the team winning sooner rather than later, and he believed Bridgewater was someone who could help them do that.

Wrong on all sides...

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Your data is wrong. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fanbuzz.com/nfl/highest-paid-backup-qbs/amp/

Find the black guy 

Interesting, but we also would need to consider the relative proportion of black QBs total and that leads to the discussion about why that proportion is how it is vs other positions...

[AceBoogie]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Fun fact, YOUR data is wrong.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

This is how research works. Not a Google search of "Highest Paid Backup QB's."

Raw numbers without context because context doesn’t matter to people like you. 

[AceBoogie]

Just now, mav1234 said:

Interesting, but we also would need to consider the relative proportion of black QBs total and that leads to the discussion about why that proportion is how it is vs other positions...

Ding ding ding. 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Guys that ain’t played this decade and Teddy which was my point in the beginning. 

Soooo....we just keep moving the bar? Didn't you say "ever?" Is ever just whenever you deem it is?

Look, this is your hill you want to die on, so I can't fix that. It is just also an argument that isn't holding much weight factually.

Totally get the disgust with the past but your argument about Teddy is not factual.

[AceBoogie]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Soooo....we just keep moving the bar? Didn't you say "ever?" Is ever just whenever you deem it is?

Look, this is your hill you want to die on, so I can't fix that. It is just also an argument that isn't holding much weight factually.

Totally get the disgust with the past but your argument about Teddy is not factual.

I don’t argue with non blacks about the plights of blacks so you can move on.